The BigXII shot itself in the foot yesterday with the round-robin setup. 4 of the 5 P5 conferences have a championship game. The higher seed in each of those games got into the playoffs...whether those are the 4 top teams or not. I don't think FSU or OSU are a top 4 team...but that's for another thread.
The Big12 is going to be relying on the lower seed to win one of these championship games from her on out if they choose not to have a B12 CCG. IMO, that isn't a good way to get your conference represented in the playoffs...
The round-robin is cute...but until they expand to 8 teams. The B12 could find themselves in this situation more often than Not.
The Baylor vs KSU was the championship argument is flawed as is the B12 could have had 2 teams in the playoffs...
So....to get the B12 back to....12 teams, what two teams would you add?
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Why should the committee take into account if they have a little crown or star next to their name? Like I said, IT SHOULD NOT MATTER to the committee. THey should look at it as two 11-1 teams, look at the resume, that is it. The committee shouldn't give any shits about who is TECHNICALLY crowned conference champion.
I'm not saying they should...but they made it clear long ago that they do. Don't like it? Get your conference up to 12+ teams like everyone else. Don't like the choices out there? Then you shouldn't have run your conference so poorly that a third of your conference sprinted off to greener pastures.
Pretending you didn't know that the parameters included an emphasis on conference champions sure as shit isn't the answer. [Reply]
We need to find a butthurt mediocrity. Both aspects are necessary: a school that isn't a bottom feeder happy to please its overlords, but not the overlord itself. Neither wants to leave that controlling relationship. [Reply]
Originally Posted by GloucesterChief:
Actually, would of been a very good fit in the B10. Morgantown is very close to Ohio. Big10 should of grabbed WVU and Pitt instead of Rutgers and Maryland.
B1G should have grabbed Mizzou but I'm glad they didn't. [Reply]
That the Big 12 Conference continues a recent tradition of not being able to get out of its own way, and to make short-sighted decisions that may ultimately doom that league to falling apart.
When Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M and Missouri left, the Big 12 (which is really just a 10-team league with the additions of West Virginia and TCU on board) chose to keep high its payments to each member of the conference. Fine for the short term, but not for the long term or even, as has been shown this week, for the present term.
Without the requisite 12 teams to have divisions, and thereby to stage a league championship game, the Big 12 gave the selection committee one less game - read victory - to compare it to the champions of the SEC, the Pac 12 and the Big 10. That seemed to make a difference in the selection of Ohio State, which allegedly trailed TCU going into the final Selection Sunday.
That seems millions of dollars wise considering the eight oldest Big 12 schools got $23 million each in league payouts last year (TCU and West Virginia received only $14 million). But with the Big 12's exclusion from the football final four, that's an extra $6 million of foolish loss, and more when you consider the probable extra endorsement and alumni payments that would have come to a school making the gang of four.
Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby has said the Big 12 might ask for special permission to have divisions with only 10 teams, but no member of the SEC, the Big 10, the ACC or the Pac 12 is likely to vote for that. Why help out the competition? College athletics is NOT a collegial world, no matter what you may have heard.
What the Big 12 could do is decide to force its members to schedule non conference teams with a heartbeat. Baylor ranked last in major college football with a non-conference schedule of SMU, Northwestern State and Buffalo. That was an albatross the Bears could not shake when being compared to Ohio State. And because Baylor beat TCU, the Frogs wound up carrying that weight as well in any comparison to the Buckeyes. Hey, you guys lost only one, but it was to a team that padded up on patsies!
Hey Baylor, better start buying out those games in 2015 versus SMU, Lamar and Rice.
Because it allowed Texas, and in a smaller way Oklahoma, to dictate league policy in the Big 12 to the detriment of everybody else, Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri and Texas A&M bolted. That was one mistake. The bigger one was replacing only half of the departing teams in the double wave of expansion that rocked the college athletic world.
Now, there simply are not any viable candidates to be added to restore the Big 12's former luster. Cincinnati and BYU? Okay, not bad. But you're not going to make many headlines with those additions. Memphis? As Kansas found out, explansion is about football, not basketball. Houston? Rice? Utep? SMU? Hey, they could officially call it the Big Texas, which is pretty much what the Big 12 became anyway.
Or, the Big 12 could cross its fingers and toes, its legs, its arms and its eyes, and hope that Texas or Oklahoma don't get fed up and jump to either the SEC or the Pac 12 and thereby erase the Big 12 from all but memory. [Reply]
None... they will not add and hurt their money stream by diluting.
Also, fuck the big 12.. They were a horrible conference this year. Missouri could of went undefeated in it, and not deserved to go to the bowl championship playoff series.. It was made worse with the backtracking and having co-champions.. Baylor was the champion of the conference, how the fuck are you going to take TCU over the champion?? They deserved to get dropped for that reason alone.. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RustShack:
Remember when Alabama won the NC without winning their conference? The best team doesn't always win.
Remember how they didn't go instead of the team that did win the conference...but went behind LSU (who was the only undefeated team)?
If Baylor had gone undefeated, and TCU had only lost to Baylor in that extremely close game, and Florida State had a loss, both teams would very possibly be in. That's not what happened, though. [Reply]
Good take from DeArmond. The Big X tried to strategize a way to complete with the major conferences with only ten teams. It didn't work. It won't work unless all the chips fall their way in a given year. They need to change with the times and not demand that they be given a handicapped parking space in the postseason. [Reply]
