Originally Posted by Mosbonian:
I just honestly want the draft to hurry up and get here...way too many crazy mocks, way too much speculation and it seems that every day brings a new mock from a website just wanting clicks.
Listening to some of these mocks, I swear some of them just throw a dart at the wall and say....here is who the Chiefs are taking and then try to build some rationale behind it.
Listening to some of the more educated posters here, I know that I really don't want Simmons based on injury worries...and if someone else wants to take a chance on him earlier in the draft that would be great. It would save the eventual arguments that will occur if we did pick him.
That's where I'm at with Simmons too. Folks here are too convincing for me to continue wishcasting him as the future. So I've moved on to Conerly. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
Your pre-conceived notion is that 'Simmons is elite, and we should draft him!'
And if some kid in his mom's basement that has a podcast has something positive to say about that, you're going to take that as evidence for your case, and disregard everything else.
If Simmons IS truly elite NOW, he won't get anywhere near #31, so the whole argument is irrelevant.
This whole argument that his left leg isn't important is the most ridiculous thing I think I've ever seen argued here, and that's saying something.
Maybe some kid in a basement is talking about NFL draft but anyone can quickly search and find many many many "so called experts" saying the same thing. Are they being lazy and just spitting out media crap? Maybe, but Simmons had the best pass blocking PFF grade before he went down and while PFF is not perfect it at least has a sliver of truth to say Simmons "MIGHT" actually be an elite OT?
I do believe Simmons will go before our pick and Veach will either trade up or hopefully take a great value DT player that normally wouldn't be available at the end of the 1st. [Reply]
Originally Posted by xztop123:
It was the reerun dr in the clip who didn’t even know who he was or which leg it was
Well shouldn't that tell you that is was NOT a homer just trying to push Simmons down peoples throat? The doctor was just giving his expert opinion on the injury Simmons has and what that typically means for OTs. This is much better than hearing from a media person who could be at the ear of scouts/agents/teams. This was 100% unbiased medial information. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Balto:
I 100% get that if you push off with your right leg your gonna land on your left! It just made sense to me that having that actual PUSH strength from his right leg not be effected by the injury should be a plus.
So if you had to pick a knee for a LT to injury your saying right or left doesn't matter and both are equally just as bad if looking at long term success?
I've already said that, yes.
Because again, you're talking about the difference between starting caliber and bench warmer.
I've made this point 1,000 times over when people say "Well if he's at 90%, put him out there"...
90% of a player doesn't yield 90% of his production. It yields...crap.
Lets say you have a starting pitcher throwing 95 mph and he gets hurt. He comes back at 90% of what he was -- so he's throwing 86. That's not gonna give you a guy who's ERA is 90% as good as it was. He's not gonna go from a 3.00 ERA to a 3.30 ERA.
He's throwing friggen batting practice at that point. He's a pinata.
If you have a guy who's left leg isn't sound and he's "90% of the player he was" he's not going to be 90% as useful. He's going to be scrap. Regardless of which leg. DCs get paid to do nothing but sit around and dissect weaknesses. It took about 5-6 weeks to see that you can just charge right through Thuney -- you think DCs won't see that he's favoring his left leg and just figure out how to wreck him?
Because the lines between success and failure in the NFL are just infinitesimally small. Especially when a guy wasn't an elite prospect to begin with and man, you're the only person who seems to have EVER suggested that he was. At best, he was the best OT in a bad OT class.
He has to be back to 100% and NOBODY can say that he ever will be. No medicals can tell you that. And the history of injuries for guys at his position says he just won't be. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Balto:
Makes perfect sense thank you. Do we know if this knee injury typically causes lessor strength issues? twitch issues for side to side movement? Or just all around weaker knee in every aspect?
Also what would you say Andy Heck runs OL wise? We all want to believe that we are a vertical team but lately we just haven't been.
We know this injury blows up careers in general. Guys lose enough athleticism and explosion that they aren't the same, and they become more injury prone.
When I say "vertical pass sets" I'm talking about the type of pass sets the Chiefs' T typically take, which involves them taking a kick-step and surrendering ground to build the pocket (rather than being aggressive and trying to hold their ground at the LoS). That doesn't necessarily lead to a vertical passing game. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Balto:
I 100% get that if you push off with your right leg your gonna land on your left! It just made sense to me that having that actual PUSH strength from his right leg not be effected by the injury should be a plus.
So if you had to pick a knee for a LT to injury your saying right or left doesn't matter and both are equally just as bad if looking at long term success?
Brother, you don't have to pick a knee. You can actually draft a guy with two functional knees [Reply]
