This thread idea materialized after I watched HB stand there throwing his hands up in the air rather than trying to challenge Lock at the goal line on his first touchdown run.
What are some acceptable alternative courses of action if you let Mathieu walk in the offseason? [Reply]
I think Mathieu is a quality player but his real value is off the field. You guys have no idea how much he means to this team's mental and emotional preparation.
He is likely to get re-signed, and probably will at $16m/year or so, with an out two seasons down the road. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nightfyre:
This thread idea materialized after I watched HB stand there throwing his hands up in the air rather than trying to challenge Lock at the goal line on his first touchdown run.
What are some acceptable alternative courses of action if you let Mathieu walk in the offseason?
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
I think Mathieu is a quality player but his real value is off the field. You guys have no idea how much he means to this team's mental and emotional preparation.
He is likely to get re-signed, and probably will at $16m/year or so, with an out two seasons down the road.
Then hire more coaches.
If you need a $16 million safety for 'mental and emotional preparation' then you're doing something wrong with your coaching staff.
They don't cost anything on the cap, they're a relative pittance from a cash outlay perspective and they can give you 'intangibles' especially if they're a former player.
There's no reason to pay top of the market for a safety's 'intangibles'. Not when he's making business decisions on gameday. Intangibles are a bonus - they can't be the underlying justification. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Then hire more coaches.
If you need a $16 million safety for 'mental and emotional preparation' then you're doing something wrong with your coaching staff.
They don't cost anything on the cap, they're a relative pittance from a cash outlay perspective and they can give you 'intangibles' especially if they're a former player.
There's no reason to pay top of the market for a safety's 'intangibles'. Not when he's making business decisions on gameday. Intangibles are a bonus - they can't be the underlying justification.
That's not what players say. Players say that leaders in the locker room can reach their teammates in ways coaches simply can't -- we have the receipts on that. And I'm telling you, we're all underestimating Mathieu's worth between games, which is far higher than his already-strong play on Sundays.
You have to give Spags and his coaches a ton of credit for the unbelievable turn-around we've seen from the defense this year. But a lot of the credit has to go to defensive leadership as well, primarily Mathieu. [Reply]
Let Mathieu walk.
Bring back Ward (as long as he isn’t getting top dollar…which I don’t think he will.)
Move Sneed to Mathieu’s role.
Bring back Baker and Hughes.
Draft a CB.
Draft a Sorenson replacement. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Direckshun:
That's not what players say. Players say that leaders in the locker room can reach their teammates in ways coaches simply can't -- we have the receipts on that. And I'm telling you, we're all underestimating Mathieu's worth between games, which is far higher than his already-strong play on Sundays.
You have to give Spags and his coaches a ton of credit for the unbelievable turn-around we've seen from the defense this year. But a lot of the credit has to go to defensive leadership as well, primarily Mathieu.
Mathieus ‘leadership’ wasn’t doing much when they were trash through week 6. [Reply]
If they want to replace Mathieu with someone who's like him, then Jordan Whitehead is the guy I'd consider target #1. Justin Reid, while bigger, would probably be the next closest. Quandre Diggs would be on that list but he just broke his leg and dislocated his ankle so we'll have to see how he heals up.
There's a lot of talented free safeties available in the free-agent market but not many are strong safety or hybrid types or they are getting old. I'd be interested in a guy like Maye on a 1 or 2 year deal. If they look for a true SS and Terrell Edmunds is available, he's pretty good.
I don't know the answers but there are options either way. Some good safeties on day 2 of the draft too. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
It really depends on what KC is looking for.
If they want to replace Mathieu with someone who's like him, then Jordan Whitehead is the guy I'd consider target #1. Justin Reid, while bigger, would probably be the next closest. Quandre Diggs would be on that list but he just broke his leg and dislocated his ankle so we'll have to see how he heals up.
There's a lot of talented free safeties available in the free-agent market but not many are strong safety or hybrid types or they are getting old. I'd be interested in a guy like Maye on a 1 or 2 year deal. If they look for a true SS and Terrell Edmunds is available, he's pretty good.
I don't know the answers but there are options either way. Some good safeties on day 2 of the draft too.
man, we could seriously re-stack the deck with a couple of extra #3's for EB and Poles. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ntexascardfan:
We need to completely make over the safeties room. We have a tremendous lack of athleticism back there and it gets us killed.
Not sure I agree with that.
Sorensen is certainly limited. Yes. Full stop.
Mathieu, while completely unwilling to tackle anymore is not limited.
I think Thornhill is fine back there.
Watts IMO is fine athletically. He just appears to be a dumbass. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ntexascardfan:
We need to completely make over the safeties room. We have a tremendous lack of athleticism back there and it gets us killed.
Juan Thornhill is finally getting back to his pre-injury self. He was very good as a rookie and has plenty of athleticism. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Doesn't sound like he'll be back
The defense started playing better when we got a pass rush and our starting corners healthy.
Mathieu was still back there flailing his arms around with guys missing their assignments with the "QB of the defense" on the field and one of the all time worst defenses to start the season. He's not worth the kind of money it's going to take to calm his ego. [Reply]