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staylor26 08:30 AM 10-20-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
This last offseason is a prime example of why you can't always just lock in on a spot. Look what they did with the OL. Great.

But they needed some defense too
:-)

This idea that they just ignored the defense is false.

Jarran Reed was one of their top FA signings, their first draft pick was used on a LB, they traded for Mike Hughes, etc.

Also, fixing the OL was absolutely priority #1 considering the SB and the injuries starting to pile up for Mahomes. In just one offseason the OL was completely rebuilt, and it’s also relatively cheap. They can now focus more on defense and WR next offseason, but it’s not like they completely ignored those needs either.
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O.city 08:53 AM 10-20-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
:-)

This idea that they just ignored the defense is false.

Jarran Reed was one of their top FA signings, their first draft pick was used on a LB, they traded for Mike Hughes, etc.

Also, fixing the OL was absolutely priority #1 considering the SB and the injuries starting to pile up for Mahomes. In just one offseason the OL was completely rebuilt, and it’s also relatively cheap. They can now focus more on defense and WR next offseason, but it’s not like they completely ignored those needs either.
Their big plan on defense was signing Reed and moving their best defensive player to a new position.

The issue with the defense wasn't necessarily all this past offseason, but the accumulation of the last few, be it guys getting older or banged up or just not performing.

Fixing the OL had to be done. Again, great, fine dandy. But there's an argument that the amount of resources thrown at it was excessive and could have been used in a better return by being spread across the entire squad.

I'm not sure I necessarily would take that argument myself, but it's arguable.
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kgrund 10:09 AM 10-20-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
Their big plan on defense was signing Reed and moving their best defensive player to a new position.

The issue with the defense wasn't necessarily all this past offseason, but the accumulation of the last few, be it guys getting older or banged up or just not performing.

Fixing the OL had to be done. Again, great, fine dandy. But there's an argument that the amount of resources thrown at it was excessive and could have been used in a better return by being spread across the entire squad.

I'm not sure I necessarily would take that argument myself, but it's arguable.
I disagree that this was their big plan. I think it became their fall back plan. I think they snatched up Reed primarily because he was to good of a value to pass on at the time. The fact they had Ingram in tells me they thought they need more there, but must not have been willing to pay his price at the time. Once they whiffed on DEs in FA and the draft I think the CJ switch became their fall back plan.
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Bronco_buster2 09:28 AM 10-20-2021
I guess answering my own question. Harius has been on the roster active the first four games. Must not be an option if they wouldn’t use him on defense considering the injuries.

Rozeboom is interesting. We picked him up after he did t make the Rams 53. He could be a guy for the future and someone I could root for.
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UChieffyBugger 09:55 AM 10-20-2021
Originally Posted by Bronco_buster2:
I guess answering my own question. Harius has been on the roster active the first four games. Must not be an option if they wouldn’t use him on defense considering the injuries.

Rozeboom is interesting. We picked him up after he did t make the Rams 53. He could be a guy for the future and someone I could root for.
The Rams fans were very upset he left them from what i remember seeing on twitter. Many thought he should have made the roster...in college he got EIGHT interceptions and was a tackling machine too..Rams articles about him suggest he's good at defending both the run and the pass. If he's already being protected then I guess he may have picked up the defense quite well so far. And at 6'2 and 230 pounds he's certainly a unit.
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ModSocks 10:06 AM 10-20-2021
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
..Rams articles about him suggest he's good at defending both the run and the pass.
The Rams are carrying 10 LB's on their roster right now. So apparently he's not top 10 on their roster good.

Maybe he's the Daurice Fountain of LB's?

But hey, he's not Neiman, amirite?

/high five.
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UChieffyBugger 10:10 AM 10-20-2021
Originally Posted by :
The Rams are carrying 10 LB's on their roster right now. So apparently he's not top 10 on their roster good.

Maybe he's the Daurice Fountain of LB's?

But hey, he's not Neiman, amirite?

/high five.
:-)

:-)
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ModSocks 10:13 AM 10-20-2021
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
:-)

:-)
All you can do is emote now over and over again. After years of disparaging other posters, talking shit, running your mouth and acting like a fucking hemorrhoid on the anus of Chiefsplanet you've seemed to run out of things to say.

Maybe you're learning how to stay in line now...as i said you would.
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jettio 10:14 AM 10-20-2021
:-)Chiefs need to coach up the players they have and Chiefs fans need to be coached up on hanging in there and backing their team.:-)

Yours Truly,
:-)
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T-post Tom 02:27 PM 10-20-2021
NFL executive who commented on the Chiefs’ misuse of safety Daniel Sorensen.

“Sorensen is really a dime linebacker,” an exec said. “It is asinine what they are doing, and unfair to the player. His role was reduced for a reason, and now you are plugging him back in as a mainstay guy. Maye would help them. I just don’t know what message you send if you are the Jets and you trade Maye. Who is going to start at safety?”





Chiefs Linked to Jets’ 5-Year Starter in Trade Proposal

With the NFL’s trade deadline inching closer — the final day coming on November 2 — it would be wise of the Kansas City Chiefs to add a defensive piece in order to bolster a defensive unit that is one of the NFL’s worse through six weeks of regular-season play, per PFF.

One report on Monday, October 18 by PFF’s Brad Spielberger said the Chiefs are exploring options to add along the defensive line, which makes plenty of sense given that their two top pass rushers — Frank Clark and Chris Jones — have struggled mightily to get to the quarterback this season. However, one NFL insider suggests that the defending AFC champions should add at another position instead, and should seek to add to that position via the New York Jets.

The Athletic’s Mike Sando wrote about the Chiefs being a potential trade suitor for Jets safety Marcus Maye, who playing on the franchise tag with New York. Here’s what Sando wrote about Maye’s fit with Kansas City:


“The Chiefs should make a run at a safety. How about New York Jets’ Marcus Maye? Maye is playing on the franchise tag. A long-term extension has eluded him,” he wrote. “Kansas City needs to bolster its defense or else risk becoming New Orleans from 2014-16, when the Saints were so bad on defense, they couldn’t contend even with a Hall of Fame quarterback. Safety is a huge problem as long as Kansas City continues to rely too heavily on Daniel Sorensen.”

Sando also spoke with an NFL executive who commented on the Chiefs’ misuse of safety Daniel Sorensen.

“Sorensen is really a dime linebacker,” an exec said. “It is asinine what they are doing, and unfair to the player. His role was reduced for a reason, and now you are plugging him back in as a mainstay guy. Maye would help them. I just don’t know what message you send if you are the Jets and you trade Maye. Who is going to start at safety?”

While Sando does try to justify why it would make sense for Kansas City to trade for the veteran safety, there are several reasons why Maye wouldn’t be a good fit for the Chiefs.

Maye’s contract is the first glaring reason he’s not a match for the defending AFC champions. He’s playing on the franchise tag with the Jets, which pays him out $10.61 million this season. That doesn’t line up well with the estimated $2.2 million in estimated cap space the Chiefs have, according to Spotrac. Granted, a portion of Maye’s contract has already been paid to him by New York. But even at a fraction of the cost the finances don’t line up, unless Kansas City packaged a player in a deal for Maye in order to free up some cap room.

The second reason Maye doesn’t fit well with Kansas City is his overall play based on his PFF grades. Maye has a 58.0 overall grade, 57.3 run defense grade, 70.1 pass rush grade, and 62.5 coverage grade this season. Compared to Juan Thornhill — the Chiefs’ new starting safety opposite of Tyrann Mathieu — who has a 72.3 overall grade, 55.8 run defense grade, 62.9 pass rush grade, and 72.6 coverage grade this season, the performance of Maye compared to who the Chiefs have in their starting lineup doesn’t seem to warrant the Chiefs making a move for him. A slight uptick in pass rush production would be helpful from the safety position, but that’s all Kansas City would be getting from Maye.

It’s worth noting that Maye would likely be a rotational player in place of Sorensen, and would certainly be an upgrade over him. However, based on the finances and whatever Kansas City would have to pay up in a trade to acquire Maye, the Chiefs should look elsewhere — and at a different position — to find a cheaper, and potentially more impactful defender.

https://heavy.com/sports/kansas-city-chiefs/chiefs-linked-to-jets-5-year-starter-in-trade-proposal/
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BossChief 02:30 PM 10-20-2021
We aren’t trading for a safety that will need a new contract next year and who is underperforming.
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ThaVirus 02:33 PM 10-20-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
On defense I would have cut Hitchens and signed Melvin Ingram.
They don't play the same position, though. You'd be helping out one weak positional group and hurting another.
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T-post Tom 02:38 PM 10-20-2021
Originally Posted by BossChief:
We aren’t trading for a safety that will need a new contract next year and who is underperforming.





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Chiefsfan1 03:54 PM 10-20-2021
I think defensive end is priority #1 for any potential trade and I doubt they'd trade for both DE and safety. At least not throw that many picks. Signing Calhoun to the practice squad likely means that could be their answer to any depth issues at LB instead of a trade. Ogbah would probably be ideal, as he's already played under Spags here. Problem is fitting him under the salary cap. Unless they plan on extending Mathieu soon, it doesn't seem like that cap space will be available. Without more cap space, they can't be that active on the trade market.

I don't think they would trade for anything else, but Michael Thomas or any really good WR that's really cheap for the salary cap this season would be intriguing to me. Although I doubt he'll be traded. Josh Gordon needs to be seeing more snaps ASAP, too. I know Reid is stubborn about the WR mastering the role of all the routes in his playbook, but Gordon needs to be out there a lot more.
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oldman 11:50 PM 10-20-2021
We all must come to the conclusion that any trade we make now will be either for a marginal player or at a great price, i.e. high draft picks. Another given must be that we can't afford to waste that capital on an offensive player. We already have 2 vets, Gore and Gordon, that have yet to make any impact because the offense is "too complicated". So that limits us to a defensive player, one that can just cover a hole and make a tackle.

I'm totally out on giving up a draft pick other than a 6th or 7th rounder. Given the cap money we have and what we'll need next year, we're going to need some cheap players. Sure enough we can get rid of Clark's over bloated contract, let LDT, Sorenson, and some others walk, but we're going to have to pay the piper with Thuney, Hill, PMII, and Jones. That still leaves big money question marks with Mathieu and Brown.

No one is going to take a Kemp or DOD in trade unless it's for some player in that ST ace only realm. It's just much smarter to pick a vet off the street on a rent-a-player basis than to make a trade.
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