Originally Posted by Wilson8:
Overthecap.com has the Melvin Ingram contract and they agree with most things reported above, but they say the cap will be $3.96M and the only part that is guaranteed will the $1.65M bonus.
Chiefs used the UFA tag on Melvin Ingram which was a 10% increase from Melvin Ingram's $4M contract so $4.4M. If Melvin signed that contract with the Chiefs, would the $4.M have been guaranteed?
Dolphins have Emmanuel Ogbah and Jaelen Phillips playing at DE so he might get more playing time with Miami.
Since the money was close to the same, just trying to figure out why Miami.
Melvin may have been slightly pissed that the Chiefs gave his #24 jersey away to Skyy Moore and maybe thought Chiefs should have negotiated with him rather than use the UFA tag.
Ogbah would be our best DE by far and Phillips was I think the 18th overall pick last season and had a really nice year.
His path to playing time in KC was MUCH clearer.
He took the extra earning potential. And I think we knew he would and that's why we offered the tender. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
To me it’s just compensation. Really don’t want to give more than a 4th for a 32 year old player
I'm less concerned about age than consistency.
His age is priced into his contract. A 26 yr old Robert Quinn coming off an 18.5 sack season damn sure wouldn't be playing on a $12 million deal. You'd have an obvious hold-out situation.
So if you want a guy with the UPSIDE that Quinn presents, you can either pay through the nose for it or deal with the age concerns.
But I've seen plenty of DEs stay pretty effective in their early 30s. That doesn't bother me. What does is that he has some real up and down years and hasn't had back to back standout seasons since he was a pup.
I think if you go ahead and average the guy he was from 2017 through 2019, that's about what you can probably expect out of him. Something closer to 9 sacks/season and steady but unspectacular pressure.
In other words, you can probably reasonable expect something similar to what Von Miller did last season over the course of the year. If that's the case, would you rather save your pick and a few bucks, sacrifice the upside and sign Carlos Dunlap? Hard to say - I guess I don't have a firm opinion on either direction there.
But we gotta add a veteran pass rusher to this roster. And like I said, I'd be more than happy adding two. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Ogbah would be our best DE by far and Phillips was I think the 18th overall pick last season and had a really nice year.
His path to playing time in KC was MUCH clearer.
He took the extra earning potential. And I think we knew he would and that's why we offered the tender.
I agree about the quality of Ogbah and Phillips but Miami really only has those two so Melvin should fit into their rotation pretty easily.
Jaelen Phillips had 17 games and 54% of defensive snaps last season with Miami.
Emmanuel Ogbah had 17 games and 67% of defensive snaps with Miami.
Frank Clark had 14 games and 72% of per game defensive snaps last season with the Chiefs.
Michael Danna had 17 games and 48% of per game defensive snaps
(Gone) Alex Okafor had 17 games and 41% of per game defensive snaps.
Joshua Kaindoh 3 games and 23% of per game defensive snaps
(Gone) Melvin Ingram (Chiefs) 9 games, 58% of per game defensive snaps
and now have George Karlaftis, a health we hope Joshua Kandoh, and maybe even Malik Herring.
Maybe a toss up but I think he gets more playing time with Miami Dolphins. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wilson8:
I agree about the quality of Ogbah and Phillips but Miami really only has those two so Melvin should fit into their rotation pretty easily.
Jaelen Phillips had 17 games and 54% of defensive snaps last season with Miami.
Emmanuel Ogbah had 17 games and 67% of defensive snaps with Miami.
Frank Clark had 14 games and 72% of per game defensive snaps last season with the Chiefs.
Michael Danna had 17 games and 48% of per game defensive snaps
(Gone) Alex Okafor had 17 games and 41% of per game defensive snaps.
Joshua Kaindoh 3 games and 23% of per game defensive snaps
(Gone) Melvin Ingram (Chiefs) 9 games, 58% of per game defensive snaps
and now have George Karlaftis, a health we hope Joshua Kandoh, and maybe even Malik Herring.
Maybe a toss up but I think he gets more playing time with Miami Dolphins.
I think any swinging dick you add to the Dolphins rotation behind Ogbah and Phillips (which are cancelled out by Karlaftis and Clark, both of whom will need at LEAST as much support by reserves as Ogbah and Phillips are likely to) is easily on par with Danna, Kaindoh and Herring.
I have no idea who's on their roster past their starters but simply don't care. Those 3 you just named as impediments to Ingrams playing time are the Jaggiest of Jags. If that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Anybody pointed out that Ingram has yet to choose the Chiefs? Maybe the dude just wasn’t interested in playing here.
He did play with the San Diego/LA Chargers for 9 years. That might affect what he thinks about the Kansas City Chiefs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Was that your thinking when we GAVE a 6th rounder to get him in the first place?
Because from my chair, a 6th for Ingram was a complete no-brainer. And I'd do it again.
It was a completely different situation, not only because we were in-season and desperate for help, but also Kaindoh had gone on IR.
But i'm super fucking happy to have that sixth rounder BACK.
This year, not only have they added Karlaftis, but you have a healthy Malik Herring pushing for a backup spot, and I frankly think there is a near-zero chance we have seen the last addition to the DL. [Reply]
Veach himself said that he could make a “smaller type move” now or to wait till they get an extension in place for Briwn and that would open up enough room to make a “big move” and before he went into that, he specifically referenced the veteran DE market.
Him not willing to pay Ingram pennies is a sign he wants to make a bigger move. At least to me.
I bet he’s focusing all of his time snd evergy to get that deal signed so they can make a move to set the roster.
I trust that when Veach says something, it’s his intention and he has consistently mentioned the DE spot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I'm still pretty confident that Bradberry sucks.
But hey - been wrong before.
I have absolutely ZERO interest in that guy at $10 million, though. Maybe a $6 million. Maybe. But I'd rather take that $6 million and see how far it goes in a possible early extension for Fenton.