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Nzoner's Game Room>Orlando Brown Projected Contract 6 year $145 mil
dlphg9 08:17 PM 03-28-2022
So there's an article on NFL network saying that Orlando Brown is expected to sign for 6 years $145 mil.

That comes to $24.16 mil/yr and makes him the highest paid offensive lineman in football. It also would give him the 19th highest salary per year in the NFL

How would you feel if that is the contract he ended up signing?

I'm fine with it. He is a top 5 LT and he's only 26 next season. A young great LT is a guy you can't let leave.
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OKchiefs 12:34 PM 01-22-2023
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
Did I ever say that? Man you ****ers.
So what’s your argument then? Either they should sign him to a market setting contract or they shouldn’t, and if they don’t they have to have another plan. End of story.
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DJ's left nut 12:35 PM 01-22-2023
Originally Posted by Bowser:
He looked like a right tackle playing left tackle. And you're right, he's looked like that all season long.
I just don't think there's a meaningful distinction on this team.

On most teams there is because they play with their TE inline. So the TE can help out the RT before going out in the pattern.

We spend so much time with Kelce off the line or in motion that he just doesn't move the needle a ton there. Moreover, even when he IS in line, you really just don't want your 33 yr old superstar TE hitting DEs more often than he has to before getting out in the pattern.

RT and LT are relatively interchangeable on this squad. And probably on most teams anymore.

And for his career, he's been the same kind/quality of player at RT as he has at LT.

It really does come down to how much value you place on a players floor. Over a meaningful sample size OBJ, at his worst, will be a credible player at LT with flaws that we've figured out ways to operate within on our way to being the best offense in football.

No, that's not worth what he's asking for. But is that level of baseline competence on Mahomes blind-side without value? No, it really isn't. And is overpaying for that to ensure that you don't have a complete catastrophy over there worth considering? Yeah, it is. Because the 'trade for Nijman' stuff or the 'draft a new LT' stuff has a non-zero chance of yielding a player like Andrew Wylie protecting Mahomes blind side.
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BryanBusby 12:37 PM 01-22-2023
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
So what’s your argument then? Either they should sign him to a market setting contract or they shouldn’t, and if they don’t they have to have another plan. End of story.
Tag again and develop a replacement. If he wants to sit out they can rely on Thuney in a pinch.

There just not going to easily land a day 1 starter in the draft drafting at the end of each round and have too many needs to trade it all to move up.

FA class is trash. This fairytale that they can just freely move on with no problems is fantasy.
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Pasta Little Brioni 12:42 PM 01-22-2023
The hilarious thing is you read Jaguar writers say their pass rush did NOTHING yesterday and were completely invisible in the 2nd half praising the Chiefs O line. Football is a funny sport with perception.
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TEX 12:42 PM 01-22-2023
Originally Posted by Bowser:
He looked like a right tackle playing left tackle. And you're right, he's looked like that all season long.
Bottom line, he is a RT, not a LT. And certainly not a LT in the Chief's offense, with Mahomes as your QB.
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Pasta Little Brioni 12:43 PM 01-22-2023
Oh...and the play he got hurt he held the ball for eternity...so fuck off with blaming anyone for that. It was a fluke play.
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The Franchise 12:44 PM 01-22-2023
Originally Posted by TEX:
Bottom line, he is a RT, not a LT. And certainly not a LT in the Chief's offense, with Mahomes as your QB.
I don't think he's a RT in this offense either. He's just fine if you've got a QB that isn't Mahomes but he can't hold up when Mahomes is scrambling around or holding onto the ball.
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DJ's left nut 12:48 PM 01-22-2023
Let's try to merge two fairly controversial topics for a moment.

Starting lineup 1 includes:

Josh Nijman and JJSS

Starting lineup 2 includes:

OBJ and Skyy Moore

Which do you prefer? Because from a cap standpoint, you're probably looking at similar enough figures as to not be worth arguing. And the latter scenario probably retains a 2nd round pick that you'd have to use to pry Nijman out of GB, but lets just set that aside for a moment.

Of those two scenarios - isn't the latter preferable? And I think it's even less risky.

Now again, I'm not saying I'd definitely pursue either one over the other. But I think you have to consider ALL possibilities right now. Because in the end, there's a real chance that OBJ returning, even on an inflated deal, is the least risky and potentially least bad of a set of mediocre options.
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OKchiefs 12:48 PM 01-22-2023
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
Tag again and develop a replacement. If he wants to sit out they can rely on Thuney in a pinch.

There just not going to easily land a day 1 starter in the draft drafting at the end of each round and have too many needs to trade it all to move up.

FA class is trash. This fairytale that they can just freely move on with no problems is fantasy.
Perhaps they should have thought about that over a year ago before they traded for OBJ, considering this is the player he always was. Nothing about his performance should surprise anyone. He did halfway decent in Baltimore in an offense that hid his weaknesses, but he was always going to have limitations in an offense that passes as much as KC does.

Agreed that KC has other needs, but no need is more important than addressing LT. You can take the money you save from not signing OBJ and get Ngakoue or Davenport to pair with Karlaftis, maybe along with another year of Dunlap. Trade your 2nd and a 2nd or 3rd from next year to move up somewhere around pick 15 and get the left tackle you want. Maybe sign Andre Dillard or Jawaan Taylor to add depth and competition. There are options.
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The Franchise 12:49 PM 01-22-2023
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Perhaps they should have thought about that over a year ago before they traded for OBJ, considering this is the player he always was. Nothing about his performance should surprise anyone. He did halfway decent in Baltimore in an offense that hid his weaknesses, but he was always going to have limitations in an offense that passes as much as KC does.

Agreed that KC has other needs, but no need is more important than addressing LT. You can take the money you save from not signing OBJ and get Ngakoue or Davenport to pair with Karlaftis, maybe along with another year of Dunlap. Trade your 2nd and a 2nd or 3rd from next year to move up somewhere around pick 15 and get the left tackle you want. Maybe sign Andre Dillard or Jawaan Taylor to add depth and competition. There are options.
Are you conveniently forgetting that they went after Trent Williams before that trade?
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DJ's left nut 12:50 PM 01-22-2023
Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother:
The hilarious thing is you read Jaguar writers say their pass rush did NOTHING yesterday and were completely invisible in the 2nd half praising the Chiefs O line. Football is a funny sport with perception.
The pass rush did do nothing, especially after Mahomes got gimpy. That was the Jags chance to really make hay and in the end their best hope was Mahomes simply mis-firing because he couldn't step into a throw.

The OL was fine yesterday.
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BryanBusby 12:50 PM 01-22-2023
No thanks to Nijman.

If you're absolutely sold on moving on from OBJ today, Isaiah Wynn/Michael Thomas FA combo for a year and scoop up a comp 3rd/4th for JuJu.

Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Perhaps they should have thought about that over a year ago before they traded for OBJ, considering this is the player he always was. Nothing about his performance should surprise anyone. He did halfway decent in Baltimore in an offense that hid his weaknesses, but he was always going to have limitations in an offense that passes as much as KC does.

Agreed that KC has other needs, but no need is more important than addressing LT. You can take the money you save from not signing OBJ and get Ngakoue or Davenport to pair with Karlaftis, maybe along with another year of Dunlap. Trade your 2nd and a 2nd or 3rd from next year to move up somewhere around pick 15 and get the left tackle you want. Maybe sign Andre Dillard or Jawaan Taylor to add depth and competition. There are options.
You're a dumbass.

First, you will need to move into the Top 10 to guarantee you get your guy. Feel free to calculate that cost.

Second, Dillard is another flavor of suck and Taylor struggles at pass blocking too. Once again proving my point that CP doesn't know shit about OL.
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DJ's left nut 12:52 PM 01-22-2023
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Perhaps they should have thought about that over a year ago before they traded for OBJ, considering this is the player he always was. Nothing about his performance should surprise anyone. He did halfway decent in Baltimore in an offense that hid his weaknesses, but he was always going to have limitations in an offense that passes as much as KC does.

Agreed that KC has other needs, but no need is more important than addressing LT. You can take the money you save from not signing OBJ and get Ngakoue or Davenport to pair with Karlaftis, maybe along with another year of Dunlap. Trade your 2nd and a 2nd or 3rd from next year to move up somewhere around pick 15 and get the left tackle you want. Maybe sign Andre Dillard or Jawaan Taylor to add depth and competition. There are options.
Historically a LT taking after 10 is no more/less likely to be able to meaningfully contribute than someone taken in the back of the first and only marginally more likely to do so than those taken in the middle rounds.

Trading up doesn't guarantee shit. You may still have an absolute trainwreck at LT next year and in so doing, give up a ton of draft capital that you could use to continue building your young defense and/or WR corps.

And fella, Jawaan Taylor ain't signing 'for depth and competition'. Those options are going to cost $15 million in their own right.

Your obvious options aren't nearly as obvious as you're making them out to be.
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IowaHawkeyeChief 12:53 PM 01-22-2023
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Perhaps they should have thought about that over a year ago before they traded for OBJ, considering this is the player he always was. Nothing about his performance should surprise anyone. He did halfway decent in Baltimore in an offense that hid his weaknesses, but he was always going to have limitations in an offense that passes as much as KC does.

Agreed that KC has other needs, but no need is more important than addressing LT. You can take the money you save from not signing OBJ and get Ngakoue or Davenport to pair with Karlaftis, maybe along with another year of Dunlap. Trade your 2nd and a 2nd or 3rd from next year to move up somewhere around pick 15 and get the left tackle you want. Maybe sign Andre Dillard or Jawaan Taylor to add depth and competition. There are options.
We got OBJ instead of whom? Whom would have filled that spot? Oh, and that trade... who would you not want on the team today, Bolton or Creed, if we don't make that trade?
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tredadda 01:07 PM 01-22-2023
Originally Posted by mkp785:
Im fine with Taylor at RT but I wouldn't mind making a move for a decent LT for Mahomes too. You've mentioned a number of them previously. Paris Johnson seems like a good fit. Obviously we'd have to move up for him but I think we would have the ammo. Especially if we trade OBJ for a 2nd or so. He'll still have value around the league.
I wonder how feasible that would be. KC would have to tag him first and then trade him. Teams know KC will need a LT and to trade him would not make much sense. Perhaps Veach has a trade lined up first before doing that, but teams could also call Veach’s bluff as KC wouldn’t want to play Brown on a second tag.
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