Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by wazu:
Seems like China should be getting a lot of praise these days. Entire pandemic they have had less than 5K die. Pretty impressive.
IIRC, and it's been a while since any of my classes on it in college, but most vaccine side effects occur within the first 6 weeks of post vaccination. [Reply]
Originally Posted by wazu:
Just curious - do you live in a retirement community? I’m in suburban KC and majority of people I know are not vaccinated. Probably 30% are. (But all the old people are.)
Nope. In fact most of my family lives in the KC suburbs and all are fully vaccinated.
Originally Posted by DaFace:
There's no question that it depends on your peer group. From the polls I've seen, you're less likely to get the vaccine if you are middle-aged, non-college-educated, or politically conservative.
Interestingly, the one person I know that has resisted the shot is the one non-college-educated person I know. But generally smart and conscious of health.
Although now that I think about it, I did notice an uptick in quoting case studies from people on message boards centered around certain medical issues/history (like saying their dermatologist was wrong and here's what this random person on a rosacea message board said) [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
Why? That's pretty easy to count...
Btw, I get that everyone wants to downplay the number of cases involving side effects/death/etc, but we have no clue about longterm effects. Or even current underlying problems that aren't detected or reported. It's kind of like beginning a study on AIDS and then concluding after 12 months that it's no big deal.
I'm not arguing that people should get vaccinated, but it does baffle me that so many are willing to blindly dismiss evidence that vaccines might be beneficial. Why would a novel virus not be taken seriously? This is a brand new virus! All it has done is spread quickly and easily, caused many to become very ill, and has cause a great number of people worldwide to die. Now we have a way to potentially stop this with good effectivity and few side effects, and people immediately dismiss it because of paranoia?
See how that works? It's probably best to not dismiss either side, but take in the whole of the evidence and proceed with caution, not jumping to either side with wreckless abandon.
That's who I'm criticizing. Those who shame everyone who isn't eager to be first in line. There just as many reasons not to do it as there are to do it.
It's ridiculous how politicized everything becomes. The same people who would rail against Big Pharma corruption in any other argument are lining up without hesitation. If they're facing constant lawsuits due to damages caused by other products, what makes you confident that a rushed product with zero liability is going to be safe?
Again, one can downplay the numbers, but the CDC held an emergency meeting for a reason. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
Why? That's pretty easy to count...
Btw, I get that everyone wants to downplay the number of cases involving side effects/death/etc, but we have no clue about longterm effects. Or even current underlying problems that aren't detected or reported. It's kind of like beginning a study on AIDS and then concluding after 12 months that it's no big deal.
I'm not arguing that people should get vaccinated, but it does baffle me that so many are willing to blindly dismiss evidence that vaccines might be beneficial. Why would a novel virus not be taken seriously? This is a brand new virus! All it has done is spread quickly and easily, caused many to become very ill, and has cause a great number of people worldwide to die. Now we have a way to potentially stop this with good effectivity and few side effects, and people immediately dismiss it because of paranoia?
See how that works? It's probably best to not dismiss either side, but take in the whole of the evidence and proceed with caution, not jumping to either side with wreckless abandon.
I know someone who utterly refuses to get the vaccine, or as she refers to it.. “poison”, citing that no one knows what’s in it. Yet, she drinks nearly every day and is an avid smoker. Makes sense! [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
We're getting slammed up here in NW Missouri. High number of cases. High % testing positive. Hospital numbers continuing to increase.
Just curious but how times a day are you taking your temp these days? [Reply]
