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Patteeu Memorial Political Forum>911 was an inside job.
Taco John 12:06 AM 02-09-2006
After watching this, I am once and for all convinced that it was an inside job...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...81991288263801


The evidence is way too strong.
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Donger 11:47 AM 02-09-2006
Originally Posted by Metrolike:
I liked it. It pretty much convinced me back to the way I was before watching the video. So I'm back to 80/20 of thinking your way. It doesn't really explain everything I wanted to know, mainly the pentagon part. They have a guy quoted saying he saw the remains of the bodies, he picked them up, he found the black box, etc. For all I know, it's bullshit, what I saw with my eyes on pictures and videos was completely different. As a matter of fact, the video had quotes who's authors changed them within a week after 9/11.

I read all the info you provided, now I just want you to watch the video when you have time. I understand how you'll react (hell even I thought a few things were blatantly lacking explantions/reason) but just bear through it and listen to sounbytes, interviews, etc.
Like I've said, I HAVE seen the first edition. The very fact that they put out a second edition that leaves out the original AAM-equipped 767s conspiracy tells me all I need to know about their motives.

Besides, all of this DEPENDS on thousands of people being involved in a conspiracy with Al Qaeda. And, they've managed to keep that a secret.

Keep in mind that our government can't even keep a secret domestic surveillance program under wraps.

If you can add that up, and believe it, good for you I suppose.
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journeyscarab 11:47 AM 02-09-2006
Originally Posted by Cochise:
Keeping a plot liked that secret, despite the number of people who would have to be involved and keep quiet about something morally reprehensible, requires a suspension of disbelief that I'm not even close to capable of.
NO DOUBT! This might have worked in 1960, but with the internet, 24 news channels, etc., there is no way someone could pull this off.

People would be coming out of the woodwork to make a buck off of their claims.
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Pants 11:48 AM 02-09-2006
Originally Posted by Cochise:
My first emotion toward people who think that this was all orchestrated by Bush so that he could invade Iraq and slide Haliburton a few extra bucks is pity.
My first reaction to people who refuse to believe anything different from what is established by the masses as right is also pity.
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journeyscarab 11:52 AM 02-09-2006
Jesus, Mary and Joesph.... :-) :-)
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Mr. Kotter 11:53 AM 02-09-2006
Originally Posted by Taco John:
I don't want your pity. I want explainations.


You can shove pity up your ass.
Go ask Popular Science, the American Association of Scientists (of whatever they are called,) the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, A&E......ask them to explain their complicity in this conspiracy? Are we to believe they all work for Bush or Haliburton too? :-)
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Donger 11:53 AM 02-09-2006
Originally Posted by Taco John:
I don't want your pity. I want explainations.


You can shove pity up your ass.
Puffs Of Dust

CLAIM: As each tower collapsed, clearly visible puffs of dust and debris were ejected from the sides of the buildings. An advertisement in The New York Times for the book Painful Questions: An Analysis Of The September 11th Attack made this claim: "The concrete clouds shooting out of the buildings are not possible from a mere collapse. They do occur from explosions." Numerous conspiracy theorists cite Van Romero, an explosives expert and vice president of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, who was quoted on 9/11 by the Albuquerque Journal as saying "there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse." The article continues, "Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures."

FACT: Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.

Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air--along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse--was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."

Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years."
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Mr. Kotter 11:55 AM 02-09-2006
Originally Posted by Metrolike:
....what is established by the masses as right ...

What of the dozens of independent studies and investigations that have consistently refuted these sorts of allegations, over and over? Are they ALL employed by Bush and Haliburton?

We've got some major acid trippin' going on here today.....unbelievable. :-)
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Taco John 12:04 PM 02-09-2006
the three buildings collapsed that day are the only buildings ever to go into near free fall as a result of either a fire or an airplane impact.

That's peculiar.
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Mr. Kotter 12:06 PM 02-09-2006
Originally Posted by Taco John:
the three buildings collapsed that day are the only buildings ever to go into near free fall as a result of either a fire or an airplane impact.

That's peculiar.
Airline passenger jets slamming into them with nearly full fuel tanks will do that, according to scientists. But what do they know....
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Donger 12:07 PM 02-09-2006
Originally Posted by Taco John:
the three buildings collapsed that day are the only buildings ever to go into near free fall as a result of either a fire or an airplane impact.

That's peculiar.
The WTC towers were of a peculiar design. But you know that.

And, unless the other buildings struck were of the exact same design, and the aircraft impacted the same type, fuel load and speed, you're observation is irrelevant.

But you know that as well.
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Taco John 12:08 PM 02-09-2006
Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter:
Airline passenger jets slamming into them with nearly full fuel tanks will do that, according to scientists. But what do they know....


And according to other scientists, they wont.

That's the thing.
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Mr. Kotter 12:09 PM 02-09-2006
Anyone else think TJ has a bet with someone to see if he could get a 200-300 post thread going in this ghost town that DC has become....?

Looks like he's gonna win his bet....
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Baby Lee 12:09 PM 02-09-2006
Take a mental picture Taco. When you find yourself bemused over how people place no credence in anything you say around here, go ahead and pull that mental picture back out and wince ruefully.
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Brock 12:11 PM 02-09-2006
Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter:
Anyone else think TJ has a bet with someone to see if he could get a 200-300 post thread going in this ghost town that DC has become....?

Looks like he's gonna win his bet....
Yep.
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Eye Patch 12:11 PM 02-09-2006
Originally Posted by Taco John:
I don't want your pity. I want explainations.


You can shove pity up your ass.
You posted it... you defend it ... I believe that is the understood rule around here.

A lot of questions were asked and few answered by those defending it and much of the video was debunked from scientific studies that are not partisan hack jobs like the crap you post..... of course as usual you let others take the flak while you toss tripe bombs here and there.
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