Seriously fuck him. He can't play when it really matters? Can't come in for the last drive of the game, because he tore his pussy? What was the point in him playing at all? He didn't look tired and didn't look hurt, so why couldn't he play for 10 more plays? He could have probably helped a lot on that final drive. Worthless fuck [Reply]
Originally Posted by saphojunkie:
I think the reality is that Berry got sideways with the coaching staff or organization somewhere, and it's been kept somewhat under wraps. It's the only thing that makes sense. His contract and personal situation makes him a player somewhat impervious to public scrutiny, so the coaching staff didn't really call him out...
Except they did. Subtly, but it happened. Reid talking about doctors agreeing and saying Berry would play "if he FELT ready" which all indicates to me that team doctors cleared him, and Berry's doctors didn't.
I wonder if this all goes back to Houston's knee, actually? As fans, which we bitched about shitty knee procedures on Tamba and Houston (and Jamaal?) maybe there was a feeling among the defenders that the Chiefs medical/training staff were fucking up players' careers.
Holy shit, as I'm typing this, I think I am convincing myself that is absolutely, 100% the only logical explanation.
Houston, Berry watched theirs and others' knees get fucked up and not properly cared for by team doctors. They bitch about Rick Burkholder, which is why Andy Reid publicly defends him. It's also why I know his fucking name. There has been drama playing out behind the scenes between the players and coaching staff, with the MEDICAL STAFF as the point of contention between them.
If the Chiefs turn over their medical staff, then I think you see Berry and Houston back in uniform this fall and playing at a high level. If Reid/Veach choose their staff over the players, then both guys will be sent packing.
Is Burkholder the top team Doc? Which player bitched about him?
Even if all this is true, it still doesn't make any sense as to why Berry wouldn't consult a specialist regarding his condition back in fall 2017, ESPECIALLY if he didn't trust the on-site medical staff.
I do recall a lot of people here complaining about the team doctors and how they seemed like quacks who couldn't keep players off the bench though. I also recall that a lot of people ran to their defense as well. [Reply]
Is Burkholder the top team Doc? Which player bitched about him?
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Even if all this is true, it still doesn't make any sense as to why Berry wouldn't consult a specialist regarding his condition back in fall 2017, ESPECIALLY if he didn't trust the on-site medical staff.
Originally Posted by TEX:
You put way too much thought into this. Let me simplify... It doesnt matter how or why we got here, the fact is we are here now. Berry is done and needs to be cut. Period. If Houston wont restructure and cant be traded, then he needs to go too. Both contracts are terrible for KC. Both players are not worh the $$$ and have not contributed to the level at which they have been paid. There is no reason to continue to over pay for their services. The saved $$$ can be better spent elsewhere. The end.
You're talking process story and I'm talking policy story. [Reply]
With all of the FA top end safeties this year, it's like the stars are aligning for us making this the perfect time to cut Berry....but we probably won't do it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
I really wonder if he's just in a fucked up PTSD loop.
I mean, all the haglund's talk is still just speculation, right?
What if he's just fucked up in his head and afraid. It'd be understandable, I mean snapping an achilles has to be extremely painful.
I didn't think there was any scenario left on earth whereby I could lose any more respect for HoboHaglund29, but I'll be damned if you didn't find one! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate:
I didn't think there was any scenario left on earth whereby I could lose any more respect for HoboHaglund29, but I'll be damned if you didn't find one!
at this point, I'd accept even this explanation. I just want an explanation period.
Cancer and two achilles is a lot of trauma. These are still people, you know. If his problem is psychological it would explain a lot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
at this point, I'd accept even this explanation. I just want an explanation period.
Cancer and two achilles is a lot of trauma. These are still people, you know. If his problem is psychological it would explain a lot.
Let's theorize. Supposing that were the case, would it not make sense to leave such traumatic surroundings as to avoid any chance whatsoever of bringing said phobia to pass?
If it's PTSD, then you're basically sending Berry to southeast Asia 10 months out the year to run through the jungle and dodge VC patrols, yes? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
I really wonder if he's just in a ****ed up PTSD loop.
I mean, all the haglund's talk is still just speculation, right?
What if he's just ****ed up in his head and afraid. It'd be understandable, I mean snapping an achilles has to be extremely painful.
Yup. I dont blame him if that's the case. But something is clearly... Off. Its unusual for a guy with that much love for football to all of a sudden look like he doesnt want to be on there. His comments seemed off. Its not criticizing the guy.... It's realizing that maybe there's something beyond injury that's been a problem [Reply]
Originally Posted by saphojunkie:
I think the reality is that Berry got sideways with the coaching staff or organization somewhere, and it's been kept somewhat under wraps. It's the only thing that makes sense. His contract and personal situation makes him a player somewhat impervious to public scrutiny, so the coaching staff didn't really call him out...
Except they did. Subtly, but it happened. Reid talking about doctors agreeing and saying Berry would play "if he FELT ready" which all indicates to me that team doctors cleared him, and Berry's doctors didn't.
I wonder if this all goes back to Houston's knee, actually? As fans, which we bitched about shitty knee procedures on Tamba and Houston (and Jamaal?) maybe there was a feeling among the defenders that the Chiefs medical/training staff were ****ing up players' careers.
Holy shit, as I'm typing this, I think I am convincing myself that is absolutely, 100% the only logical explanation.
Houston, Berry watched theirs and others' knees get ****ed up and not properly cared for by team doctors. They bitch about Rick Burkholder, which is why Andy Reid publicly defends him. It's also why I know his ****ing name. There has been drama playing out behind the scenes between the players and coaching staff, with the MEDICAL STAFF as the point of contention between them.
If the Chiefs turn over their medical staff, then I think you see Berry and Houston back in uniform this fall and playing at a high level. If Reid/Veach choose their staff over the players, then both guys will be sent packing.
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I think the part that gets me is that Reid was asked a few times during the season. Then asked about the pitch count. Reid is the king of coach speak. He seemed a little confused and almost a little ticked. I don't think it's a love hate thing. I think berry is a little off right now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
I think the part that gets me is that Reid was asked a few times during the season. Then asked about the pitch count. Reid is the king of coach speak. He seemed a little confused and almost a little ticked. I don't think it's a love hate thing. I think berry is a little off right now.
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate:
Let's theorize. Supposing that were the case, would it not make sense to leave such traumatic surroundings as to avoid any chance whatsoever of bringing said phobia to pass?
If it's PTSD, then you're basically sending Berry to southeast Asia 10 months out the year to run through the jungle and dodge VC patrols, yes?
Don't overreact. Whatever we do with Berry is just "a" move, not "the" move. You read me, brother? [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
Yup. I dont blame him if that's the case. But something is clearly... Off. Its unusual for a guy with that much love for football to all of a sudden look like he doesnt want to be on there. His comments seemed off. Its not criticizing the guy.... It's realizing that maybe there's something beyond injury that's been a problem
