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Washington DC and The Holy Land>What should trump give to get his 5B for the wall?
RodeoPants2 03:42 PM 01-09-2019
Trump's approach here seems to be to whine and hope he gets his way. But if you want to make a deal, both sides need to be happy with it.

Trump is supposedly the master dealmaker, lol, clearly not.

What would you give the democrats in exchange for getting the wall?
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Trolly McTrollson 08:15 AM 01-10-2019
Originally Posted by Pogue:
As for the OP, the wall needs to be funded first.
no problem, just give Mexico a call.
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mlyonsd 08:25 AM 01-10-2019
Originally Posted by Pogue:
Bottom line is, Democrats have no desire to fix the border issue. Just like they have no desire to fix healthcare.
Of course they don't. And anyone claiming otherwise is lying.
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GloryDayz 08:48 AM 01-10-2019
Let Hillary spend a night in the Lincoln bedroom with Bill.
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patteeu 08:49 AM 01-10-2019
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
DACA and his tax returns, actually
Your focus on damaging Trump instead of doing right by the country is a turn off.
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Eleazar 09:12 AM 01-10-2019
Looks like Bezos or his soon-to-be-ex could give a third or so of their net worth and get it done :-)
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Pogue 09:17 AM 01-10-2019
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
no problem, just give Mexico a call.
Mexico paid indirectly via new trade deal.
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Trolly McTrollson 09:22 AM 01-10-2019
Originally Posted by Pogue:
Mexico paid indirectly via new trade deal.
Then Trump shouldnít need to ask for money from the taxpayers.
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Pogue 09:28 AM 01-10-2019
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
Then Trump shouldnít need to ask for money from the taxpayers.
Why not?
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patteeu 09:48 AM 01-10-2019
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson:
Then Trump shouldnít need to ask for money from the taxpayers.
The "indirectly" means that the money is collected by the government on the enhanced trade afforded by the new trade agreement with Mexico. Once collected, it has to be spent and Congress has to authorize it.
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chiefzilla1501 09:57 AM 01-10-2019
As I've said before, if Trump wanted to step away from the wall knowing the dems will resist at all costs, he could negotiate an aggressive immigration deal.

Imagine if we instead used $5b on everify, state of the art tech for enforcement, more border patrol and ICE. Even better, imagine if the Republicans actually convinced the democrats to sign off on labor law that strictly enforces that employers hire only legal workers. And you don't have to give up huge bargaining chips on things like DACA.

The Republicans have so much leverage on this if the followers weren't so narrowminded on this shiny object of a wall. Not only does a wall accomplish way less, who knows what conservative projects Trump will need to hold hostage as bargaining chips to make a wall appear out of thin air. But that would involve doing the most effective thing, not just insisting on "winning."
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Donger 10:00 AM 01-10-2019
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
Not only does a wall accomplish way less
Why do people keep saying this when it is demonstrably untrue?
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Pogue 10:06 AM 01-10-2019
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
As I've said before, if Trump wanted to step away from the wall knowing the dems will resist at all costs, he could negotiate an aggressive immigration deal.

Imagine if we instead used $5b on everify, state of the art tech for enforcement, more border patrol and ICE. Even better, imagine if the Republicans actually convinced the democrats to sign off on labor law that strictly enforces that employers hire only legal workers. And you don't have to give up huge bargaining chips on things like DACA.

The Republicans have so much leverage on this if the followers weren't so narrowminded on this shiny object of a wall. Not only does a wall accomplish way less, who knows what conservative projects Trump will need to hold hostage as bargaining chips to make a wall appear out of thin air. But that would involve doing the most effective thing, not just insisting on "winning."
E-verification isnít going to stop drugs and human trafficking at the border.
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Pennywise 10:13 AM 01-10-2019
Originally Posted by Donger:
Why do people keep saying this when it is demonstrably untrue?
Look no farther than the people that are saying it.
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chiefzilla1501 10:27 AM 01-10-2019
Originally Posted by Pogue:
E-verification isnít going to stop drugs and human trafficking at the border.
Is that the primary goal? Sounds like moving the uprights. The outcry is about immigration. If the populist want to fix the immigration problem this is a loaded shiny object.
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chiefzilla1501 10:30 AM 01-10-2019
Originally Posted by Donger:
Why do people keep saying this when it is demonstrably untrue?
Because a wall with no change to immigration enforcement is a complete joke. Worse, a wall destroys almost all leverage to negotiate that in. Strict enforcement with resources to do it and no wall is a hell of a lot better than a wall with no enforcement.
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