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pugsnotdrugs19 08:47 AM 12-29-2018
Knowing what we know now about 2019 contracts, I wanted to list some of the needs KC will have once the offseason begins at this current time. I’m hoping to see others chime in on what they feel the needs are, and also highlight positions of strength in the draft and FA to address said needs. Off the top of my head we have....

Cornerback (2-3 capable of starting)
Safety (2-3 pending Berry and Sorensen outlook)
Offensive line depth (1 center, 1 tackle)
Running back (1-2)
Wide receiver (#3 guy)
TE #2
DE (Bailey replacement and more depth)
Edge (Ford tag?)
ILB (starter)
Fullback (Sherman?)

In no particular order there, just spitballing. Fuck we have quite a few needs. Anyways, do you have any that you would add or take away and how do you want to see them addressed based on the draft and FA pools?
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tmax63 09:40 AM 12-29-2018
you got 16 spots there, 9 on defense. How about a move towards reality.

CB - they need 1 starting caliber. Fuller is good, Nelson is better than people here give credit and hopefully one of the youngsters (Ward) advance.
Safety - They need a starter. Watts was showing promise before his injury and Sorenson isn't bad when used correctly.
OL - You always need a fattie in the development stage. Reiter and Mckenzie are there currently. They seem to find them without much effort or capital.
RB - Unless a KH without the issues falls to you in the draft not really needed. Lindsey with the Donkeys was undrafted and could be OROY.
WR3 - Resign Hill and get Watkins healthy. WR3 doesn't get enough looks in this offense because of the playmakers ahead of them to matter.
TE2 - See WR3
DE/DL - See OL. Speaks is learning but need some more run stoppers. Sometimes it's hard to say whether it's players or scheme. They have gotten a lot of sacks this year though.
Edge/OLB - can't have too many.
ILB - Need one starter with some speed to cover a TE/RB when they come across the middle, not be a step behind so it's an easy completion for a 1st down 80% of the time.
FB - Sherman does anything you ask of him. Some teams don't even have one.

That gets it down to a half dozen or so. The Chiefs have 3 selections in the top 64 picks I believe. That leaves 2-3 for FA. Looks pretty doable to me. IMHO
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pugsnotdrugs19 09:45 AM 12-29-2018
Re: tmax—

Nelson is a free agent. They need multiple corners. Sorensen and Berry are major question marks to be kept on the roster given their price tags. WR3 and TE2 are bigger needs than you’re suggesting because injuries can happen. We’ve seen that with Watkins this year. They can’t count on Hill, Kelce, and Watkins to be available every week together.
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tmax63 09:53 AM 12-29-2018
Agreed. I'd resign Nelson for reasonable. The Chiefs have learned the CB's out there aren't a helluva lot better than what they had. Depth is always needed, I was just looking at what could be done in this off season and big improvement in 3-4 spots is about all you can hope for.
A new DC might be the equivalent of about 3 of these picks....
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Chargem 11:07 AM 12-29-2018
Originally Posted by tmax63:
Agreed. I'd resign Nelson for reasonable. The Chiefs have learned the CB's out there aren't a helluva lot better than what they had. Depth is always needed, I was just looking at what could be done in this off season and big improvement in 3-4 spots is about all you can hope for.
A new DC might be the equivalent of about 3 of these picks....
I think Nelson probably gets enough cash elsewhere that he can't be had for "reasonable"
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pugsnotdrugs19 11:13 AM 12-29-2018
I’m over Nelson tbh. His attitude annoys the shit out of me. I think he’s way too much about himself and it shows with how he acts on the field and even social media.

I want some bigger corners. Fuller is fine in the slot though with his size.
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Chargem 11:17 AM 12-29-2018
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
Knowing what we know now about 2019 contracts, I wanted to list some of the needs KC will have once the offseason begins at this current time. Iím hoping to see others chime in on what they feel the needs are, and also highlight positions of strength in the draft and FA to address said needs. Off the top of my head we have....

Cornerback (2-3 capable of starting)
Safety (2-3 pending Berry and Sorensen outlook)
Offensive line depth (1 center, 1 tackle)
Running back (1-2)
Wide receiver (#3 guy)
TE #2
DE (Bailey replacement and more depth)
Edge (Ford tag?)
ILB (starter)
Fullback (Sherman?)

In no particular order there, just spitballing. Fuck we have quite a few needs. Anyways, do you have any that you would add or take away and how do you want to see them addressed based on the draft and FA pools?
Here's what I think the Chiefs will probably do (not what I think they should do):

CB - Draft a 1st round corner and dumpster dive for a vet (see Scandrick, Amerson)

Safety - Stand pat

OL - Re-sign Devey and draft a late round tackle

RB - maybe draft a guy 3rd round or later

WR - Bring back DAT, roll with Hill Watkins Robinson DAT Pringle Kemp Dieter, maybe a late round pick or UFA

TE - Bring back Harris

DE - Draft a guy in round 2 and sign a Vet min guy like Jenkins

Edge - Sign Ford to a big contract, add in the draft again later on

ILB - Stand pat / draft a later round guy to develop

FB - Bring Sherman back
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Dante84 01:56 PM 12-29-2018
My top 5 right now:

1. A #1 CB
reason: glaring, gaping hole outside of Fuller and Nelson, who may leave via FA.

2. A #1 Safety
reason: glaring, gaping hole outside of Berry, who is an injury risk.

3. A ILB of the future
reason: Hitchens hasn't made it click yet, and Ragland has been quiet all season. Neiman doesn't appear to be a starting quality ILB.

4. A DE/Edge of the future
reason: Ford will be franchised, and Houston is overpaid. Speaks is not a speed edge-rusher.

5. A TE #2
reason: If Kelce goes down, we don't have a viable, trustworthy option in Harris.
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pugsnotdrugs19 02:56 PM 12-29-2018
I think we’re a good draft class and reset of the defensive coaching staff away from being SB favorites in 2019.
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kccrow 05:11 PM 12-29-2018
I'm just kind of spitting shit out here. For all 4-3 positions, I'm assuming the current trend of 4-3 O/U.

CB - #1 and #3 at least. Fuller can be an adequate #2. That #3 guy needs to be able to handle outside duties so Fuller can move down into the slot when needed.

5T DE - #2 and #3 if 34. #2 if 43.
In a 34, a #2 starter opposite Jones and a #3 for depth.
In a 43, one for depth behind Jones.

3T DT - #2 if 43.
In a 43, I'm assuming Speaks slides into the 3T spot and we'd need depth.

LB - At least #3 ILB if 34, prefer #2. Starting SOLB if 43.
I'm assuming O'Daniel/Niemann will man the WOLB in a 43.

EDGE - Possible #1 in 34, #3+ either scheme
This largely depends on what KC does with Ford and Houston. If they retain Ford, then you're looking at a #3 in a 34 for depth. It could be argued a #3 and #4 with great success. In a 43, I'd assume that Jones is moving to 5T and one of Houston or a retained Ford assume the LEO. A more traditional 43 would probably have Houston at DE with Jones inside and, if Ford is retained, out on the other DE spot. This gets very clustered depending on defensive scheme and who gets retained. I'm going to say a #3 at a minimum in a 43 as well.

SS - #1 in both schemes
My opinion on Berry isn't favorable. I'd prefer KC found a new Starter. Watts is okay depth if he can stay healthy.

FS - #1 in both schemes
Dumpster fire. Need a starter. Lucas is okay depth but I'd argue need a #2 here too. Murray is trash but I'm sure he sticks through his rookie deal.

WR - #2 type
The Chiefs have Hill and Watkins to start now. Conley is gone though, one would think. Robinson is a nice piece as a 4/5 type but I don't like to rely on him. I really liked Pringle in pre-season and a big reason I think KC IR'd him was the ability to keep him and have him learn the offense vs trying to stash him. I think Pringle is capable of assuming Conley's role. That said, the Chiefs could use getting a guy in-house this year to take over Watkins' spot when he's cut in 2020.

TE - #2
The Chiefs need to get a guy in house that can be a reliable blocker and a good enough receiver to replace Kelce should he, God forbid, get injured. No-Hands Harris can't be back in the fold. There's a legitimate argument that this is the Chiefs biggest offensive need.

LG - #1 or Developmental
Despite his growth, Erving remains backup quality. I'm sure Wylie could man this spot but not putting him there when LDT was healthy gives me pause. A stud here would go a long ways, but it's a long ways down the list of immediate must haves. If you can't get a guy that can step in and start, I'd argue just grab another developmental fatty late.

OC - #2
Reiter has been surprisingly solid even if he isn't the greatest. Morse is surely gone unless the Chiefs are downright stupid. Need a backup at worst.

OT - #3
Wylie is the backup tackle but I'm not convinced he has the athleticism. I don't think you could count on LDT to do it now with the knee injuries. We've seen Erving be a revolving door in Cleveland so no chance. Chiefs really could use a swing tackle with a future at least at RT to replace Schwartz in a couple years.

RB - #2 at least
Damien Williams has been surprising and the Chiefs made a committment to him for the next couple of years. That said, we haven't seen much meaningul production from Darrell Williams in the regular season and Ware is a free agent. The Chiefs could use a #2 with starter potential.

FB - #1 if Sherman not re-signed.
I think Sherman will be back if he's willing to sign a friendly deal. The Chiefs primarily use him on special teams though and they've bounced quite a few FBs through the PS over the past few years. Not a big need and could be an UDFA fill, but I do really like Wisconsin's Alec Ingold as a potential 7th rounder.
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RealSNR 07:47 PM 12-29-2018
We're going to have to get creative defensively and hope and pray that the guy we hire knows what he's doing and that our personnel currently on the team can make a quick adjustment. We can't expect to fill all the holes on this team. We simply won't. We're going to have to use what we've got, and honestly, it starts with trying to work around Anthony Hitchens. If he's doing stuff he was comfortable doing with the Cowboys, that "fixes" ILB... at least the starters anyway. We would do that, of course, at the expense of using Ford, Houston, Nnadi with what made them successful (if any of them are still here next year). The good news is that a dramatic and creative change may reveal some stuff on this roster (maybe Kpass isn't actually a piece of shit and/or Speaks is more than we think) that could eliminate the need for us to worry about the quality of the depth on the team.

During the Baltimore game the announcers were slobbing Martindale's knob about how he keeps his defense simple so that as many rookies can get snaps in the rotation as possible. While that got annoying to listen to, it WAS a great point that we're going to have to use. A simpler defense without as many bells and whistles may not lead to a dominating top 5 unit or one that can confuse offenses and generate turnovers, but we've gotta start somewhere such that we use these guys' talents to the best of their abilities (whatever those may be).

Of course, all that is assuming Sutton is gone next year. Which is far from certain :-)
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O.city 09:34 PM 12-30-2018
If they could get a real stud lg I’d be all for that
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RunKC 09:42 PM 12-30-2018
Multiple ball hawks
Big DL with some pass rush ability
another receiving weapon

Thought about ILB but liked O’Daniel today. Wondering if they’ll just have him put on 10 or so lbs and start him.
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Dante84 01:24 PM 12-31-2018
I think the Oakland game was our formula.

More turnovers = more Mahomes = more TD’s = More wins.

If we can get some ball hawks in the secondary, combined with this pass rush, we could roll the next two years easily.
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BryanBusby 10:19 PM 12-31-2018
1 Corner in the draft 1 Corner in FA
WR Because Sammy is a brokedick
Edgerusher because no way can we afford to pay 40 mil for OLB
DE
NT
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