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The Lounge>***Official "Are NFL game outcomes influenced by outsiders?" Discussion Thread***
Frazod 07:51 PM 12-13-2012
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I don't remember if this was ever posted here - if it was, I don't remember it.

Very long, informative, and depressing.

http://spaces.covers.com/blog/Maximu...or-Profit.html

MaximumWins's Blog
Reasons Why The NFL Is Fixed For Profit
Spoiler!

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007 07:48 AM 12-14-2012
Originally Posted by PGM:
Phantom holds are awesome
as are choke holds that never get called.
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GloryDayz 07:57 AM 12-14-2012
Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson:
All the patriot superbowls were rigged.
Duh!!!
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htismaqe 07:57 AM 12-14-2012
Originally Posted by Nzoner:
I don't think all the games are rigged but after reading the book Interference I was a whole lot more convinced it goes on.
Originally Posted by Nzoner:
For the most part it's not about picking a winner and loser,and no way in hell do I believe an entire game is scripted.I do believe that shit goes on constantly though when it comes to spreads and over/unders.
Yeah, I agree.

You'd have to be completely naive to think cheating doesn't happen. There are always going to be outcomes that are affected by outside forces, whether it's gambling, politics, or any number of things.

But to suggest the NFL is COMPLETELY faked, ala the WWE? No, I don't believe that.
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htismaqe 07:59 AM 12-14-2012
Originally Posted by frazod:
Well, I'm not much of one anymore.

All my Chiefs stuff is in a box in the basement. I attended one game this year, played locally between two teams I don't care about, exclusively because a Bears fan friend was coming in from out of town. And I got the tickets free. The tickets to the last game I saw were free, too. I haven't bought any official NFL merchandise in years, and now I'm not even buying the knockoff crap on eBay.

Following this team has been a major part of my life for decades - that won't dry up and blow away overnight. At this point, I don't watch a fraction of the games that I used to, and when I do, I'm generally not paying much attention to them.

At this point, I don't believe the Chiefs will ever win another Super Bowl UNLESS they manage to land somebody who turns into a bankable star that will sell merchandise outside our tiny fanbase. There's just no money in it for the league.
That's an honest answer to my question. I respect that.

Originally Posted by frazod:
This is a multi-billion dollar industry. Name ONE multi-billion dollar industry that would put sportsmanship and fair play above profits.
Valid point.
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htismaqe 07:59 AM 12-14-2012
Originally Posted by frazod:
Obviously many people will never be convinced of this. My FIL and I got in a heated argument about this on Thanksgiving. In his mind, I'm just bitter and jaded because my team sucks and so I'm making excuses. The End. I don't think there's anything I could show him or any argument I could make to convince him otherwise, and the ironic thing is that he's a retired high level executive for a well known company and should damn well know how the game is played. Perhaps denial is just beat into such people - at least outside the boardroom.

I sent him a copy of this article. I doubt if he reads past the headline before he deletes it.
There's some validity to this line of thinking. I know you don't want to hear it but there's a hint of truth to it.
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GloryDayz 08:00 AM 12-14-2012
Originally Posted by Guru:
So the NFL HATES the Hunts obviously.
So do I... So does God!
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htismaqe 08:02 AM 12-14-2012
Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco:
This. And my objection isn't to his style of writing (which is awful). It's to the feast conclusions he draws from crumbs of evidence.
Yeah, that's what I was getting at too...

At some points, his case is compelling. And at other points, it really sounds like this:


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GloryDayz 08:02 AM 12-14-2012
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
Ugh...the thought of a Manning vs Manning Super Bowl. :-)
I would mow the lawn.... Even is there's a foot of snow!
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WhiteWhale 08:05 AM 12-14-2012
Some truth, and some speculation and conjecture.

I do think there is an element to fixing games (the steelers/chargers mentioned was totally fixed imo) but I really do not think players don't care about winning and just do whatever they're told. I think most of that happens between owners, refs, and the NFL. Players are pawns.

I don't think it always works out the way the NFL wants either, but there's manipulation going on there to influence the results.
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htismaqe 08:06 AM 12-14-2012
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
Ugh...the thought of a Manning vs Manning Super Bowl. :-)
They've had plenty of chances and not produced one yet. I wouldn't worry about it.
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mr. tegu 08:09 AM 12-14-2012
Originally Posted by WhiteWhale:
Some truth, and some speculation and conjecture.

I do think there is an element to fixing games (the steelers/chargers mentioned was totally fixed imo) but I really do not think players don't care about winning and just do whatever they're told. I think most of that happens between owners, refs, and the NFL. Players are pawns.

I don't think it always works out the way the NFL wants either, but there's manipulation going on there to influence the results.
Yeah the players not wanting to win is idiotic. He sites that they get paid either way, which simply isn't true. If players don't do their best and try to win they are out of a job.
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Amnorix 08:21 AM 12-14-2012
Some of it is interesting, and some of it just silly. If everything in the NFL is fixed, and Tebow so massively profitable, then why was Tebow shipped off to New York to do absolutely NOTHING?

Some of the stuff I have to accept on face value, or not. Others are true, and many others make no sense or don't add up. It would take hours to really analyze it all point by point.

Bottom line -- doubt it. Very much doubt it.
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notorious 08:25 AM 12-14-2012
The holding penalty is the perfect vessel to control a game.
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CoMoChief 08:37 AM 12-14-2012
Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks:
sign me up

I'll take a Luck Vs. Manning, a Manning vs. Brady, and a Manning vs. Manning playoffs...that would be awesome
You must love ESPN
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Amnorix 08:37 AM 12-14-2012
Originally Posted by Nzoner:
For instance the talk is already heating up about a Manning vs. Luck play-off possibility or how about this MAIN EVENT a Manning vs. Manning Super Bowl which would have never been possible if...

1.Lil bro doesn't demand a trade and get traded to an NFC team thus forcing Peyton's hand later to play for another AFC team when he clearly was wanted by Jim Harbaugh in San Francisco and which made a helluva lot more sense then.

So.....the NFL waited 8 years and several neck surgeries to get Manning vs. Manning in the main event? That makes ANY sense to you?

How does Eli forcing a trade to NYG "thus force Peyton's hand later to play for another AFC team"? To set up the pre-ordained Super Bowl you're talking about? The one that COULD HAVE (but didn't) happen when he had excellent teams in Indy?

And if Manning vs. Manning DOESN'T happen, does that prove that your pulling this completely out of your ass, or do you just forget about it and move on to the next conspiracy theory?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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