“We are sending a signal across the nation and to the global community that we make these changes in the spirit of truth-telling,” Council Member Alondra Cano said ahead of the Council meeting.
“Now that we have established Indigenous People's Day, every child -- whether that child is native or whether that child is not -- will learn the truth about where America really comes from," added U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison.
I've never thought about this, but why didn't the Vikings bring disease to the Native Americans? They would've been there before stuff like the Plague, but I would think that a lot of other diseases existed. If they would have brought the stuff, it seems like the Native Americans would've been hit then, but not when Columbus arrived.
I guess it's possible that the Vikings affected populations that were isolated, so the disease didn't spread, but I think there's proof now that they made it way inland, like the Great Lakes. So it seems like they would have had a lot of Native American contact. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I've never thought about this, but why didn't the Vikings bring disease to the Native Americans? They would've been there before stuff like the Plague, but I would think that a lot of other diseases existed. If they would have brought the stuff, it seems like the Native Americans would've been hit then, but not when Columbus arrived.
I guess it's possible that the Vikings affected populations that were isolated, so the disease didn't spread, but I think there's proof now that they made it way inland, like the Great Lakes. So it seems like they would have had a lot of Native American contact.
Or, as some evidence suggests, that there was another plague that ravaged the population that was not of European origins.
You also have to understand that prior to the plague europeans were relatively clean. Post plague they were filthy because they associated their bathing with disease. The euros from the 15th century were walking disease banks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I've never thought about this, but why didn't the Vikings bring disease to the Native Americans? They would've been there before stuff like the Plague, but I would think that a lot of other diseases existed. If they would have brought the stuff, it seems like the Native Americans would've been hit then, but not when Columbus arrived.
I guess it's possible that the Vikings affected populations that were isolated, so the disease didn't spread, but I think there's proof now that they made it way inland, like the Great Lakes. So it seems like they would have had a lot of Native American contact.
Leif Erickson and his crew were from Iceland and Greenland. Very isolated population at the time. The plagues that ravaged Europe never really hit those populations. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I've never thought about this, but why didn't the Vikings bring disease to the Native Americans? They would've been there before stuff like the Plague, but I would think that a lot of other diseases existed. If they would have brought the stuff, it seems like the Native Americans would've been hit then, but not when Columbus arrived.
I guess it's possible that the Vikings affected populations that were isolated, so the disease didn't spread, but I think there's proof now that they made it way inland, like the Great Lakes. So it seems like they would have had a lot of Native American contact.
Yeah, you're basically right; it's because they only landed with small numbers, didn't go very far south, and didn't stay. The 'proof' that they made it further inland is spurious and unproven at best.
Also, the disease that wiped out the Native Americans weren't the Black Death or anything hygiene-related. Waterborne disease comes from animals, and on Europe-Asia-Africa, there were lots of major large domestic farm animals (mainly sheep, cows, oxen, goats, pigs, and horses). In the Americas, there was one, the llama, and that was restricted to the south by geography. As a result, the Europe-Asia-Africa people had about 15,000 years - something like 600 generations - to build up a tolerance for diseases like measles and smallpox. Native Americans had no resistance at all, and in less than 200 years after the landing of Columbus, probably 90% of all Native Americans on both continents were dead. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Aries Walker:
Yeah, you're basically right; it's because they only landed with small numbers, didn't go very far south, and didn't stay. The 'proof' that they made it further inland is spurious and unproven at best.
Didn't they recently find distinctly Nordic sculptures in some Mayan ruins? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I've never thought about this, but why didn't the Vikings bring disease to the Native Americans? They would've been there before stuff like the Plague, but I would think that a lot of other diseases existed. If they would have brought the stuff, it seems like the Native Americans would've been hit then, but not when Columbus arrived.
I guess it's possible that the Vikings affected populations that were isolated, so the disease didn't spread, but I think there's proof now that they made it way inland, like the Great Lakes. So it seems like they would have had a lot of Native American contact.
Scandinavians are the healthiest and cleanest of people. Danes, Swedes, Fins, Norsks are wonderful people with a rich history. [Reply]
Originally Posted by HonestChieffan:
Scandinavians are the healthiest and cleanest of people. Danes, Swedes, Fins, Norsks are wonderful people with a rich history.