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Patteeu Memorial Political Forum>Minneapolis changes Columbus Day to 'Indigenous Peoples Day"
Prison Bitch 05:03 PM 09-26-2014
More liberal insanity (redundant?)



“We are sending a signal across the nation and to the global community that we make these changes in the spirit of truth-telling,” Council Member Alondra Cano said ahead of the Council meeting.

“Now that we have established Indigenous People's Day, every child -- whether that child is native or whether that child is not -- will learn the truth about where America really comes from," added U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison.



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GloryDayz 10:22 AM 09-28-2014
Originally Posted by 505 Chief:
Only if they didn't put the Milwaukee Ice on sale...
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Prison Bitch 10:26 AM 09-28-2014
Originally Posted by WhiteWhale:
/guy who started the thread to whine about it
Yes, when looking for the prime instigator of this topic, you should blame the poster instead of the city council. That's absolutely the correct chain of blame. It's the guy on the internet who did this all.
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cosmo20002 10:34 AM 09-28-2014
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
Yes, when looking for the prime instigator of this topic, you should blame the poster instead of the city council. That's absolutely the correct chain of blame. It's the guy on the internet who did this all.
Nobody give a shit about this. You're to blame for starting the thread and to mock for thinking people would be pissed about this as much as you are.
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Prison Bitch 10:38 AM 09-28-2014
Hey, I hope the national party picks up this issue and carries this cross. It would be so sweet.
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Aries Walker 11:03 AM 09-28-2014
In today's climate, any politician dumb enough to speak up against Native Americans would get vilified by the press. You don't want this to be a national issue, PB.
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Prison Bitch 11:07 AM 09-28-2014
Originally Posted by Aries Walker:
In today's climate, any politician dumb enough to speak up against Native Americans would get vilified by the press. You don't want this to be a national issue, PB.
LULZ, here's the guy saying the country is against the Redskins name even though polls show they aren't. I'll take your advisement under consideration though.
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Aries Walker 11:11 AM 09-28-2014
Well, I'm glad I could give you a good hearty chuckle.
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GloryDayz 12:49 PM 09-28-2014
Originally Posted by Aries Walker:
In today's climate, any politician dumb enough to speak up against Native Americans would get vilified by the press. You don't want this to be a national issue, PB.
Ya gotta admit, it's not like there's an open and honest conversation going on. The black community at least has a few of their "stars" - like Bill Cosby - who are willing to be honest and admit that black people in America are their own biggest hurdle. Even if you don't agree with him, at least his voice is being heard.

So not only does nobody dare not speak about Indian Nation unless it's to kiss their ass, but which famous Indian is being honest enough to admit that it's time for Indian Nation to get off the reservation because the per-pilgram days aren't coming back? Or do they think five more years of the as-is will bring them, as a cross-section of 2014's human landscape, into the modern era?
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GloucesterChief 01:35 PM 09-28-2014
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
Ya gotta admit, it's not like there's an open and honest conversation going on. The black community at least has a few of their "stars" - like Bill Cosby - who are willing to be honest and admit that black people in America are their own biggest hurdle. Even if you don't agree with him, at least his voice is being heard.

So not only does nobody dare not speak about Indian Nation unless it's to kiss their ass, but which famous Indian is being honest enough to admit that it's time for Indian Nation to get off the reservation because the per-pilgram days aren't coming back? Or do they think five more years of the as-is will bring them, as a cross-section of 2014's human landscape, into the modern era?
Well, there is a difference. The Native Americans don't actually own the reservation land. It is held in trust by the US government. Since they don't own it, they can't borrow against it to raise capital. They have very little to no collateral to back financial transactions with. In addition for the most part they were given the worst land the US Government. Some tribes aren't even recognized by the US government like the Pamunkey and Mattaponi in Virginia.
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GloryDayz 02:10 PM 09-28-2014
Originally Posted by GloucesterChief:
Well, there is a difference. The Native Americans don't actually own the reservation land. It is held in trust by the US government. Since they don't own it, they can't borrow against it to raise capital. They have very little to no collateral to back financial transactions with. In addition for the most part they were given the worst land the US Government. Some tribes aren't even recognized by the US government like the Pamunkey and Mattaponi in Virginia.
Interesting that some aren't recognized, I wonder what the criteria is there?

And I'm not sure "giving them the land" would be the right answer either. I'm sure they could sell it, but who would get the money, and how would it be distributed amongst the tribe? And then what?

And I'd say other than being given the use of a lot of land "for free", that does come with the stipulation that they can't sell it, "Indian nation" have been afforded a lot of help and advantages that other people living here have not. In some cases monopolies. Time will tell what they do with them, but so far it's not like any of the assistance has turned them into a rags-to-riches story.
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displacedinMN 02:24 PM 09-28-2014
Minnesota-2nd only to SF in crazies.

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/loc...test/16336245/

MINNEAPOLIS - Protesters continued their mission Saturday for bird safe glass to be incorporated into the new Vikings stadium designs.

Hundreds of people joined the Audubon Chapter of Minneapolis to demonstrate on the plaza across from the new stadium construction site.

The group says the new stadium, which is mostly made of glass, will cause harm to birds that use the Mississippi River Flyway. They claim 50% of North American migratory birds use the flyway during migration.

The Minnesota Sports Facilities Authority issued a response to today's protest. They say they've had an ongoing dialogue with the Audubon Society, and recently met with the American Bird Conservancy to talk about bird safety concerns of the new stadium.

The MSFA says "We respect the views of the City Council, the Audubon Society, the American Bird Conservancy and the public, and are always open to discussion about the operation of the building. We will continue to evaluate innovations that may reduce bird collisions."


I did read an article about a year ago. There is a plan to take land away from land owners and give it back to tribes in Minnesota. 1000's of acres. I am looking for the article, but have not found it yet.
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stevieray 02:41 PM 09-28-2014
Originally Posted by Aries Walker:
The Alhambra Decree was going on at the time, but there's no evidence (that I've ever seen) that Columbus was searching for a place to bring the expelled Jews. Columbus was 'hired' before the Decree was passed, the Jews had plenty of places to go by land (not the least of which was Portugal, right next door), and if Columbus did find a place, sea passage there would have been prohibitively expensive.

Plus, I don't think Ferdinand and Isabella really gave too much of a shit about the well-being of the expelled Jews. The voyages were pretty much a money thing.
that's nice...nonetheless, the first wave of Jews in this country came from Spain and Portugal (fitting you mentioned it)..

btw, ellison and the bridge collapse?? oh, that's an interesting one...:-)
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Aries Walker 02:58 PM 09-28-2014
Originally Posted by stevieray:
that's nice...nonetheless, the first wave of Jews in this country came from Spain and Portugal (fitting you mentioned it)..
A couple of hundred years later, yes.
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Aries Walker 02:59 PM 09-28-2014
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
Time will tell what they do with them, but so far it's not like any of the assistance has turned them into a rags-to-riches story.
And they are 'rags' because . . .
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GloryDayz 03:09 PM 09-28-2014
Originally Posted by Aries Walker:
And they are 'rags' because . . .
Ummmmm, because they claim they're poor and hurting... The key work bing "they".
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