“We are sending a signal across the nation and to the global community that we make these changes in the spirit of truth-telling,” Council Member Alondra Cano said ahead of the Council meeting.
“Now that we have established Indigenous People's Day, every child -- whether that child is native or whether that child is not -- will learn the truth about where America really comes from," added U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison.
Originally Posted by displacedinMN:
The radio announcer wanted to know if it was insensitive to play Led Zepplins Immigrant Song on Indigenous Persons Day.
At least those people came from The Land of Ice and Snow, which is more accurate to the Vikings. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
It seems it would make more sense to "celebrate" Columbus day in Spain.
There’s a large plaza featuring Columbus in Madrid. Sometimes the Genoese revere him as being one of them.
Why not celebrate? He his contact between two worlds created an enormous impact on the history of our modern Western world—not just for the Spanish. [Reply]
Originally Posted by listopencil:
Also you may not recall the Vikings proclaiming their discovery of the continent but they did.
Yelling it out isn't the same as putting in writing—officially. In a way, for the world to know.
What I recall is the Vikings being feared around Europe. They plundered and pillaged the east coast of England. Heck, I think they even got to the Sicilians. They weren't nice guys. Lousy at making official announcements, marketing them and keeping records, apparently too. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea:
Yelling it out isn't the same as putting in writing—officially. In a way, for the world to know.
What I recall is the Vikings being feared around Europe. They plundered and pillaged the east coast of England. Heck, I think they even got to the Sicilians. They weren't nice guys. Lousy at making official announcements, marketing them and keeping records, apparently too. :-)
Well, yelling it out is the Viking way of proclaiming. The yelled a lot while raping, pillaging and/or looting. There were maps floating around too, even one that probably wasn't a forgery, so they have that going for them.
Originally Posted by listopencil:
Well, yelling it out is the Viking way of proclaiming. The yelled a lot while raping, pillaging and/or looting. There were maps floating around too, even one that probably wasn't a forgery, so they have that going for them.
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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale:
Or, as some evidence suggests, that there was another plague that ravaged the population that was not of European origins.
You also have to understand that prior to the plague europeans were relatively clean. Post plague they were filthy because they associated their bathing with disease. The euros from the 15th century were walking disease banks.
I thought they didn't bathe because they were mainly Christians and associated bathing with the pagan way of Rome.
I also thought there were several different plague outbreaks. [Reply]
It varies by time and culture, of course, but in general, medieval people were fully aware that dirt was bad for you, and also several scholars wrote that it caused obesity, stupidity, heart trouble, fainting, or various other maladies. The rural poor probably dipped in a stream when they could, but the urban poor didn't bathe much for the simple reason that they couldn't afford a trip to the public bath-houses.
Rich people, on the other hand, bathed. They loved it. They showed off their bath-houses to other rich people. King John carried his own tub with him from place to place. He even had a special servant to handle it.
As for the Plague, yes, there were several outbreaks: One in the 6th century, a big one in the 14th, various smaller outbreaks in the 17th, and one last one in Asia in the 19th. Many doctors believed it (and other nasties) were transmitted from the water through the skin, so many people did avoid baths for this reason (also, syphilis). Bathing dropped off around the 16th century or so, probably because of that, and of puritanical religious ideas that bathing in public (especially co-ed) bathhouses caused various ideas of sin to go creeping about in the bathers' heads. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Aries Walker:
...and of puritanical religious ideas that bathing in public (especially co-ed) bathhouses caused various ideas of sin to go creeping about in the bathers' heads.
