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Nzoner's Game Room>What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2
dlphg9 05:43 AM 02-17-2021
Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918


This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

Fucking Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

Fucking MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.
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emaw1979 11:01 PM 08-20-2021
They should see if there is any value in the trade market for him. I think they force-fed him to try to build a rapport with Mahomes and it largely failed. I think he's too valuable to cut but I don't think it will ever work here with him and Mahomes.
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New World Order 11:26 PM 08-20-2021
I feel pretty comfortable knowing if it really is a need Veach will take action, either now or before the trade deadline.

Could see guys like Cooks, maybe Gallup from Dallas etc
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Titty Meat 11:33 PM 08-20-2021
Originally Posted by emaw1979:
They should see if there is any value in the trade market for him. I think they force-fed him to try to build a rapport with Mahomes and it largely failed. I think he's too valuable to cut but I don't think it will ever work here with him and Mahomes.
After 2 pre season games? FFS.
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BWillie 12:33 AM 08-21-2021
Basing off of preseason alone , Pringle looks solid.
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Rasputin 01:55 AM 08-21-2021
Whether or not Hardman is a valid #2 wr makes no difference to me the value he brings is being a playmaker. That means he can flip the script at any time in a game and hit a home run or make a special play that is his role he is just a fucking play maker. Get over him being a ,#2 WR who gives a flying fuck if he makes plays for us.



Also Patrick and Mecole will develope chemistry together just fucking relax people.
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eDave 02:48 AM 08-21-2021
What was weird to me was the Hardman catch was alreay camera'd up on the big screen from the endzone. I was watching the big screen when it happened and saw it clearly.

I was on the Cards side and they loved it too. Phoenix peeps are super cool like that.
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TEX 04:33 AM 08-21-2021
Originally Posted by Rasputin:
Whether or not Hardman is a valid #2 wr makes no difference to me the value he brings is being a playmaker. That means he can flip the script at any time in a game and hit a home run or make a special play that is his role he is just a ****ing play maker. Get over him being a ,#2 WR who gives a flying **** if he makes plays for us.



Also Patrick and Mecole will develope chemistry together just ****ing relax people.
Some truth here, but the Chiefs need a dependable #2 WR who can be counted on in the event Hill and Kelce are covered. Verch and Reid know this, which was why the Chiefs targeted Ju Ju, and others, in free agency.
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Rasputin 04:46 AM 08-21-2021
Originally Posted by TEX:
Some truth here, but the Chiefs need a dependable #2 WR who can be counted on in the event Hill and Kelce are covered. Verch and Reid know this, which was why the Chiefs targeted Ju Ju, and others, in free agency.
Well if they are being covered then we probably just picked up 8 yards on a play for CEH I mean once this offense gets going pick your poison who to stop.
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dlphg9 05:26 AM 08-21-2021
Lmao at the dweebs deciding Hardman sucks after 2 preseason games. God damn some of you are dumb.
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-King- 05:33 AM 08-21-2021
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Lmao at the dweebs deciding Hardman sucks after 2 preseason games. God damn some of you are dumb.
He doesn't "suck". He just look like a gadget player. He for damn sure doesn't look like a reliable #2 WR.

Btw, he's played 2 years before these 2 preseason game. He had the same chemistry issues with Mahomes.

I don't even know how you can deny him and Mahomes have issues.
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oldman 05:51 AM 08-21-2021
Originally Posted by -King-:
He doesn't "suck". He just look like a gadget player. He for damn sure doesn't look like a reliable #2 WR.

Btw, he's played 2 years before these 2 preseason game. He had the same chemistry issues with Mahomes.

I don't even know how you can deny him and Mahomes have issues.
Ding, ding, ding - we have a winner. It's not 2 preseason games, it's that he hasn't taken that next step to be a reliable #2 in 2 years. He didn't make the most out of Watkins time off, his routes are still sloppy. I don't know if there are "issues" with PMII, but if he wants a big payday soon, he better get those ironed out.
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MahomesMagic 06:32 AM 08-21-2021
Tyreeks path was unique.

Very few WRs get significantly better at route running from college to the pros.

Hardman is a nice gadget/special teams player.

Don't expect more.
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MahomesMagic 06:34 AM 08-21-2021
Tyreeks path was unique.

Very few WRs get significantly better at route running from college to the pros.

Hardman is a nice gadget/special teams player.

Don't expect more.
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Tribal Warfare 06:37 AM 08-21-2021
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Lmao at the dweebs deciding Hardman sucks after 2 preseason games. God damn some of you are dumb.
It's been 3 years, yes it's time to call him out
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wheeler08 06:45 AM 08-21-2021
Trying to think of a comparable for Hardman. Tavon Austin is first player that came to mind. Gadget type that never really done much as a WR
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