The Los Angeles Dodgers fire Ippei Mizuhara, Shohei Ohtani's long-time interpreter. Mizuhara was accused by Ohtani's attorneys of engaging in a “massive theft” of Ohtani's funds to place bets with an illegal bookmaker, according to the LA Times.
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
What the - ? Was that the rookie seminar? Why would you expose the rookies to bad influences like Cris Carter and Warren Sapp? Was Michael Irvin the next speaker? Rae Carruth?
Vonn Miller followed by Bill Romonowski, while Elway led the anti-drinking campaign. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Pete Rose was an overrated compiler who lived on hollow singles and refused to quite when he should've because he was a shameless stat-chaser who prioritized his numbers over his team's record.
His last 1,500 hits came when he was an average, at best, big league hitter. And for his last 1,000 of those he was fairly well worthless. And since he couldn't play defense and he played in the National League, they had to plug him in at 1b where dragging along a weak hitter is doubly damaging.
"Hey Mike Schmidt - we know you guys missed the playoffs by 2 games in '82 and the Cardinals ended up winning in your place while Pete Rose gave you absolutely fuck-all at 1b - but hey, he hit 150 singles that year, man!"
Pete Rose wasn't the greatest anything of his day, certainly not of all time.
He might be - might be - one of the 25 best hitters of all time. But he wasn't even the best hitter on his own team during his day. That was Mike Schmidt. He's not the greatest switch hitter of all time - that's Mickey Mantle and/or Chipper Jones. He's not the greatest contact hitter of all time - that's Tony Gwynn.
He's just a guy that put up numbers because he refused to quit and his team refused to fire him.
Some valid points here that I had never really considered (mainly because I despised the teams he played for), but you do seem focused on over-the-hill Rose while ignoring young Rose. It's hard to ignore his contributions to the Reds back in the day. And as the fat guy from Moneyball would point out, he did get on base.
It is hard to feel sorry for him, though. Rose's biggest enemy has always been Rose. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Frazod:
Some valid points here that I had never really considered (mainly because I despised the teams he played for), but you do seem focused on over-the-hill Rose while ignoring young Rose. It's hard to ignore his contributions to the Reds back in the day. And as the fat guy from Moneyball would point out, he did get on base.
It is hard to feel sorry for him, though. Rose's biggest enemy has always been Rose.
I put Pete Rose on the same level as Tony Gwynn. Both were slap hitters with no power and if they played today they'd be completely out of there element. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Frazod:
Some valid points here that I had never really considered (mainly because I despised the teams he played for), but you do seem focused on over-the-hill Rose while ignoring young Rose. It's hard to ignore his contributions to the Reds back in the day. And as the fat guy from Moneyball would point out, he did get on base.
It is hard to feel sorry for him, though. Rose's biggest enemy has always been Rose.
No question - very good player in his younger years.
But take away the gaudy hit totals through being a compiler and was he noticeably better than Craig Biggio?
I'm not saying he's not a HoF caliber guy. He was for the first 2/3 of his career. But his legendary status is built on numbers he never should've stuck around to build up.
It's similar to Ripken in that regard. Cal was not a good player for the latter half of his career. He probably should've been taking days off. But in the ends a record meant more to him than the teams record. And it paid off for him - we remember him as a legend because of a record he never should've broken in the first place. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
I put Pete Rose on the same level as Tony Gwynn. Both were slap hitters with no power and if they played today they'd be completely out of there element.
No way dude. I didn’t watch enough of Pete rose to know how he’d adapt to today’s game. But without a doubt Tony Gwynn would. He is one of the best pure contact hitters this game has ever seen. He was a slap hitter because he was an ideal #2 hitter especially in a dead ball era. In a juiced ball era with much smaller stadiums he might take a few more pitches and take some bigger swings. It would have been comical watching defenses try to shift him. But he had more than enough talent and pop to adapt and he showed plenty of success later in his career adapting to the new era even though he was old and fat
But at worst he would be a better version of arraez and that’s plenty good. [Reply]
Tony Gwynn once stole more than 50 bases in a season. You'd win a lot of bar bets with that fact.
I'm betting nobody would ever believe you if you told them that he stole 100 more bases than Pete Rose. And he won several gold gloves in his prime as well.
Tony Gwynn was a FAR superior player to Rose. It's not even close, IMO. He did literally everything better than Rose did at their respective peaks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Tony Gwynn once stole more than 50 bases in a season. You'd win a lot of bar bets with that fact.
I'm betting nobody would ever believe you if you told them that he stole 100 more bases than Pete Rose. And he won several gold gloves in his prime as well.
Tony Gwynn was a FAR superior player to Rose. It's not even close, IMO. He did literally everything better than Rose did at their respective peaks.
Exactly. Tony Gwynn deserved everything he got. Just a very good ball player.
Rose was good with the Big Red Machine, but after that - meh.
This is the most excitement baseballs seen since the Mcguire Sosa race, of course they will sweep it under the rug. The scandal itself just adds to the lore. Plus this is way more coverage than they would have gotten otherwise. [Reply]
New York Mets pitcher David Cone allegedly lured two women into the bullpen area of Shea Stadium in 1989 and masturbated in front of them, a lawsuit filed yesterday said.
The suit, filed in state Supreme Court in Rockland County, N.Y., is an amendment to a suit filed by three Rockland women last year accusing Cone of harassment and slander.
The women were identified in the suit as Phyllis DeLucia of West Nyack, Debra Hittelman of Spring Valley and Joan Twohie of Wesley Hills, all 28.
The suit also alleged that later in the 1989 season Cone went to a hotel where two of the women were staying and jumped into bed with them.
Cone could not be reached for comment at spring training in Port St. Lucie, Fla.
The suit seeks $8.1 million from Cone and the Mets, whom they allege were negligent in security during the harassment incident.
