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Patteeu Memorial Political Forum>Are you going to take the vaccine?
GloryDayz 08:48 AM 12-01-2020
I know I'm going to try to be first in line, but what about the rest of you? I'm not sure if the death count is where the science community wants it to be, plus Birdbrain hasn't been sworn in, so I expect there will be delays, but that's beside the point.

You can be honest.
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Donger 06:44 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
I assumed his graph was all deaths. Not just deaths with covid positive.

I am looking for data on all deaths covid vs unvaccinated. Preferably broken out by age group. With a country the size of the UK or Israel. I believe those numbers would be very informative on the covid vaccine debate.
No, that graph (which is false) are death rates/100,000 among the vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

You might be interested in the UK PHE report that is linked in my post above:

https://assets.publishing.service.go..._-_week_44.pdf

Pages 18 to 20, Tables 4 through 5
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RaidersOftheCellar 06:47 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
Yes, it is:

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...0&postcount=42
So you're saying that it's actually a graph of raw numbers rather than per 100,000?
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Donger 06:51 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
So you're saying that it's actually a graph of raw numbers rather than per 100,000?
I don't know what it's a graph of. I just know that the claim that the death rates/100,000 in the UK are higher among the fully vaccinated than the unvaccinated is completely false. It's the exact opposite.

Gullible, again...
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SuperBowl4 06:52 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
I don't know what it's a graph of. I just know that the claim that the death rates/100,000 in the UK are higher among the fully vaccinated than the unvaccinated is completely false. It's the exact opposite.

Gullible, again...
:-)
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Donger 06:58 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by SuperBowl4:
:-)
https://assets.publishing.service.go..._-_week_44.pdf

Table 5, last four columns.
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MahomesMagic 07:07 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
I assumed his graph was all deaths. Not just deaths with covid positive.

I am looking for data on all deaths covid vs unvaccinated. Preferably broken out by age group. With a country the size of the UK or Israel. I believe those numbers would be very informative on the covid vaccine debate.
Ding Donger doesn't want to talk about all-cause mortality so he will change the subject on you.

Norman Fenton also analyzed the UK data and saw that all-cause mortality was higher in the injected, even after adjusting for age.

Same thing happened in the clinical trials.
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Donger 07:15 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Ding Donger doesn't want to talk about all-cause mortality so he will change the subject on you.

Norman Fenton also analyzed the UK data and saw that all-cause mortality was higher in the injected, even after adjusting for age.

Same thing happened in the clinical trials.
:-)
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RaidersOftheCellar 07:17 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
I don't know what it's a graph of. I just know that the claim that the death rates/100,000 in the UK are higher among the fully vaccinated than the unvaccinated is completely false. It's the exact opposite.

Gullible, again...
I've been working 70+ hours/week lately. I don't have the time right now to do in-depth research on every graph. I'm not sure how accurate it is or isn't. Nor do I know the accuracy of your sources. I do know there's been a ton of manipulation among "official" data from various countries.
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RaidersOftheCellar 07:21 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
:-)
Can you prove that all-cause mortality isn't higher in the vaccinated?
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Donger 07:23 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
I've been working 70+ hours/week lately. I don't have the time right now to do in-depth research on every graph. I'm not sure how accurate it is or isn't. Nor do I know the accuracy of your sources. I do know there's been a ton of manipulation among "official" data from various countries.
Well, it's false so like I said before, perhaps you should check into things before posting them.

My source is both the UK ONS (the source of the fake graph) and the UK PHE.
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Donger 07:25 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Can you prove that all-cause mortality isn't higher in the vaccinated?
I can prove that the death rates/100,000 in the UK among the fully vaccinated are much lower in the every age cohort than among the unvaccinated, yes.

MM just doesn't like that fact so he's moved onto something else, like disingenuous liars do.
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RaidersOftheCellar 07:28 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
I can prove that the death rates/100,000 in the UK among the fully vaccinated are much lower in the every age cohort than among the unvaccinated, yes.

MM just doesn't like that fact so he's moved onto something else, like disingenuous liars do.
But your "unvaccinated" category includes people who rec'd even a 2nd jab, no?
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MahomesMagic 07:29 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
I can prove that the death rates/100,000 in the UK among the fully vaccinated are much lower in the every age cohort than among the unvaccinated, yes.

MM just doesn't like that fact so he's moved onto something else, like disingenuous liars do.
No you can't. We're not talking about Covid retarded.

All-cause mortality.
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RaidersOftheCellar 07:31 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
Well, it's false so like I said before, perhaps you should check into things before posting them.

My source is both the UK ONS (the source of the fake graph) and the UK PHE.
Last I checked, this isn't a court of law. It's a message board. I don't remember you scolding anyone for posting the bogus reports about Ivermectin overdoses.

Imagine all the fake news that hasn't been exposed. Policing it would be a full-time (and impossible) job.
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Donger 07:32 PM 11-27-2021
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
But your "unvaccinated" category includes people who rec'd even a 2nd jab, no?
It's not my category. It's the UK's PHE. And if you actually bother to look at the link, it's two dose.
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