Yes 55 47.41%

No 61 52.59%

Totally agree.

I could see an announced deal of 6yrs/$180 million with $100+ million guaranteed.

Yes, it looks bad but I know Bart Vagich knows what he is doing.


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You're fine with a lot of questionable shit. Like making Chris "playoff invisible" Jones the highest paid defender in the league on his previous contract negotiation.

Brown isn't worth anywhere close to that money, but we're stuck with him because of the draft capital spent to acquire him.

Either way you slice it, we're getting fucked on the deal. Either we cut bait and acknowledge we wasted a 1st round pick on a flyer, or we overpay for a guy who isn't worth the money but it's too late to do anything to replace him now.

For what he's wanting, tag and trade, hope for the best. Veach is a cap wizard so perhaps he can get a deal done to satisfy Brown right now, but that we have an escape built into later.
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Horseshit. We're not stuck with him unless we want to be. We gave up the equivalent of a 2nd round pick for him, and got a year cheap- we could tag and trade him for better than that most likely. That being said-can you replace him FOR SURE for less? Probably not.

You don't have to like the player, but don't act like we're stuck- we're not. If Veach and Reid feel he's still ascending, they'll pay him.
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That’s silly, man.

His dad is a HOFer and he is working his ass off to build his skill set to improve the on field product while already being a very good OT. Him dropping weight and working tirelessly on his technique is going to have him vastly improved over last year.

Nothing in his profile says “turns into Frank Clark once paid”.

Except if Orlando doesn’t get the deal he wants, he can go back to Baltimore after this season.

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I think Veach should have hit the bid button a couple more times for Silverback.
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Why? Dude wasn't even healthy for the playoffs this season. He hasn't been healthy for a full season in a literal DECADE. Doesn't matter if he has the most talent on paper if he isn't available/not at 100% during the most critical part of each season. The fascination with him is fucking baffling.
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You're giving too much weight to his PFF ranking in the eyes of his potential suitors.

From their perspective, they'd likely focus on the following:
- He's 26 (turns 27 next May)
- 6'8" 340-350 lbs
- Proven to be extremely durable
- 3x Pro Bowler (more of a selling point for his agent but still looks good on his resume.)
- A year less of wear and tear which is compounded favorably by his youth, size and durability.
- Has experience at both tackle spots
- Actively staying in shape.

There'd be a vibrant market for him if he were to enter free agency simply because left tackles that check all of those boxes do not become available hence him being tagged by the Chiefs in the first place.
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We extend this piece of shit yet?
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I wanted to draft Samuel Cosmi in that 2021 draft. He was rock solid as a rookie too. Could have just drafted him and paid Hill. But here we are with Orlando Brown and Marquez Valdes-Scantling. Brown is a nice player but he isn't elite and he is the real reason Hill was moved. Dude thinks he's Jonathan Ogden.
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I made this point earlier, but...

At the time, Eric Fisher wasn't worth his extension he signed a few years ago.

At the time, LDT DEFINITELY wasn't worth his extension he signed a few years ago.

To be quite honest, given his injury history, Mitch Morse's contract with Buffalo wasn't worth it at the time, either. And even when healthy, I wouldn't have said Morse was a top 5 C in the NFL even though he became the highest paid C when he signed.

Sometimes that's just how it goes. Lo and behold, Fisher kept improving off of his 2015 season, and in just year 2 or 3 of the extension, I think we were getting a pretty good deal on a starting LT.

Orlando Brown improved a little as the year went along. I can't imagine him not continuing to improve this season. By how much is the question, but that's what the Chiefs would rather bank on than trying to start over again
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I don’t care what the flashy AAV looks like if you just look at the deal itself. All I care about is the actual deal.

If he gets 6/145, for example, but that includes a $40 million year six cap hit that clearly won’t get paid, it’s an awesome deal.

You can say “oh, the AAV is too high at $24.25M/year,“ but really you’re paying him 5/100 and either moving on or extending him in year6.
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Look at that list... None of those things are about his actual play.
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If he wants to sign a deal full of phony money but looks good on paper and in tweets, sure, sign him to a billion dollar contract. But I don't think he's threatening to hold out just because of the on paper figure.
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1. I know OBJ's best trait as a protector is forcing rushers to the outside and out of the play provided Mahomes isn't sitting there like a duck holding onto the ball for a zillion years. He's bigger and "clunkier" than a guy like Fisher and plays differently, but that doesn't mean he can't continue to improve his protection at the point of contact rather than just using his massive size as a crutch at controlling the path of the rusher.

2. The Tyreek trade was 99% all about the money and the draft pick compensation. But I'll betcha just even a small sliver of 1% was Andy looking forward to Mahomes changing and evolving beyond an offense without Tyreek. Let's face it... our offense stalled for a stretch of a few games when Mahomes kept wanting to make magic happen every fucking play, and too often the deep ball just wasn't happening. Andy of course doesn't want to abandon the deep ball, but he'd also Mahomes keeps growing and getting better at making the best decision possible, not necessarily the most explosive one that leads to too many punts.

And I think similarly, a LT that has a tendency to pass block via re-directing the path of the rusher away from the pocket is about making Mahomes use that pocket more often. In the end, it's going to make him a more well-rounded QB. It's not like Mahomes is ever going to forget how to scramble around and make plays. But if he develops this amazing comfort level with stepping up into the pocket when he has to or wants to, NOW he becomes even more of a lethal threat that the league didn't see coming.

Basically... yeah, you want to play to your players' strengths, but Mahomes is a big boy, and this could make him an even better QB.
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Silly? The man playing his negotiations in the media, the guys about the money. OBJ's not concerned about legacy or winning.

He'll have a decent season, but after the contract Year I expect a DGAF attitude ballooning back to 360+ pounds
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Btw...his dad isn't a hall of famer...
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