Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Again how does this help people who have already had covid? Damage is done the vaccine is not going to help that.
Chances are that if they had a bad case before they will have a bad case again doing more/further damage.
Nothing will completely repair the damage from not having the vaccine. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
Chances are that if they had a bad case before they will have a bad case again doing more/further damage.
Nothing will completely repair the damage from not having the vaccine.
The one study I saw on reinfection of severe cases of covid was extremely low. Data seemed to show that the more severe infection the better they were protected from reinfection. Of those reinfected 3% of those people died during there second round of covid.
Has there been any studies showing that severe infection makes you more susceptible to covid? I ask because this is not the first time I have heard that statement. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
The one study I saw on reinfection of severe cases of covid was extremely low. Data seemed to show that the more severe infection the better they were protected from reinfection. Of those reinfected, 3% of those people died during their second round of covid.
Have there been any studies showing that severe infection makes you more susceptible to covid? I ask because this is not the first time I have heard that statement.
I don't know of studies. I do know that where I work there have been several, 4, people that have had a severe case. After missing 3 months of work they had recovered enough to return to work to only get reinfected and have to be hospitalized again and not have the ability to return to work. It does not look like they ever will again, the latest one is still on oxygen after being released from the hospital 6 weeks now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
I don't know of studies. I do know that where I work there have been several, 4, people that have had a severe case. After missing 3 months of work they had recovered enough to return to work to only get reinfected and have to be hospitalized again and not have the ability to return to work. It does not look like they ever will again, the latest one is still on oxygen after being released from the hospital 6 weeks now.
I am sorry to hear about that. I agree that personal experience can shape opinions a lot stronger than simple numbers.
I personally had 0 people in my family die from covid or experience anything more than mild symptoms. (Knock on wood)
However, I did have a family member die from the vaccine. Another had a severe reaction that took them out for over a week. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
I am sorry to hear about that. I agree that personal experience can shape opinions a lot stronger than simple numbers.
I personally had 0 people in my family die from covid or experience anything more than mild symptoms. (Knock on wood)
However, I did have a family member die from the vaccine. Another had a severe reaction that took them out for over a week.
Personal experience definitely has its effects. The most severe reaction to the vaccine that I have seen or heard about from the people in my life or that work at the hospital is 12 hours of cold or flu like symptoms.
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
Personal experience definitely has its effects. The most severe reaction to the virus that I have seen or heard about from the people in my life or that work at the hospital is 12 hours of cold or flu like symptoms.
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My friend caught it, (healthy, fit 50 year old) and was admitted into the hospital, intubated after two days, put into a coma for 28 days with a tracheotomy tube and feeding tube.
He lived, but had lost something like 40 lbs and had to learn to swallow and to walk again. Once he started walking, he worked really hard and progressed pretty well and was walking up a flight of stairs after about two weeks and was released.
His wife posted daily updates on Facebook, it was pretty hard to read some of those posts as it was going on. Just kind of expected him to die any time. Would get better then worse then better then worse. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
I don't know of studies. I do know that where I work there have been several, 4, people that have had a severe case. After missing 3 months of work they had recovered enough to return to work to only get reinfected and have to be hospitalized again and not have the ability to return to work. It does not look like they ever will again, the latest one is still on oxygen after being released from the hospital 6 weeks now.
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
Personal experience definitely has its effects. The most severe reaction to the virus that I have seen or heard about from the people in my life or that work at the hospital is 12 hours of cold or flu like symptoms.
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
Personal experience definitely has its effects. The most severe reaction to the virus that I have seen or heard about from the people in my life or that work at the hospital is 12 hours of cold or flu like symptoms.
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Did you mean vaccine? Your other post sure described something much worse than that about the virus effects on people you know. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
Did you mean vaccine? Your other post sure described something much worse than that about the virus effects on people you know.
Originally Posted by :
"..Their antibodies were not only capable of neutralizing all of the SARS-CoV-2 variants that we have seen thus far, they're also capable of neutralizing viruses that are very much more diverse, including the original SARS coronavirus, which is really quite different to the current ones, viruses that are currently circulating in bats and pangolins..."
Originally Posted by TinyEvel:
I spent three months studying the immune system to write a website for immunity supplements.
ADAPTIVE IMMUNITY is your body's third-level of immunity, where your body codes and creates "super fighters" (antibodies) to attack a specific and seriously harmful invader (covid, polio, measles, etc). When infected, your body initially goes through a gnarly defensive battle with the disease using regular means (white blood cells) and discovers that is not enough. So it creates a blueprint for special ANTIBODIES (the Y shaped things in vaccine diagrams) these antibodies are custom-coded to fit into a single specific pathogen (disease) like a lock and key. The antibody adheres to the disease pathogen (e.g. covid spiked ball) thus either tagging it for easier destruction by groups of the regular white blood cell army (like popping a red smoke grenade tagging for jets to drop napalm) and/or neutralizing it keeping it from replicating or causing more harm (like Dan Sorensen hanging onto a running back who is trying to get to the first down marker.)
The code for these antibodies remains in your body afterward. So if the pathogen (disease) returns, your antibody factory can immediately get to work making antibodies and slapping them onto all the spike covid balls. Faster. More thoroughly. Making the disease much less effective and less harmful, less severe, less symptoms, go away faster, etc.
Vaccines, create a harmless replica (fake) version of the protein Covid makes, so your body then codes the blueprint for the antibodies and store it in memory. (like training your dog to attack ducks by using decoys) Then, when/if you actually get Covid, your body now can immediately make and deploy the antibodies instead of having to figure it all out. So the Covid gets attacked (and hopefully beaten) faster and more completely.
Some people's (very rare) adaptive immune system doesn't perform the way it should perfectly or might have a blind spot for that specific code and that is the rare case you have vaccinated people still can die of Covid. This is why even with vaccines, masks are a good idea and the more people who are vaccinated the less the disease will spread because people have it for a much shorter time and less concentrated in their bodies so less contagious.
Again, Vaccines don't prevent you from catching or being exposed to the disease. They train and prepare your body to beat it down faster and more completely when you are exposed.
This is a very top-line simplification, I am not a doctor nor scientist, but this is how I can best explain it. Go to google or YouTube search "adaptive immunity" or "how vaccines work" for more detailed info.
best explanation, I’ve read so far, that explains how the vaccine, is designed to work, and in layman terms I can understand. Thanks for the post! [Reply]
Originally Posted by TinyEvel:
I spent three months studying the immune system to write a website for immunity supplements.
ADAPTIVE IMMUNITY is your body's third-level of immunity, where your body codes and creates "super fighters" (antibodies) to attack a specific and seriously harmful invader (covid, polio, measles, etc). When infected, your body initially goes through a gnarly defensive battle with the disease using regular means (white blood cells) and discovers that is not enough. So it creates a blueprint for special ANTIBODIES (the Y shaped things in vaccine diagrams) these antibodies are custom-coded to fit into a single specific pathogen (disease) like a lock and key. The antibody adheres to the disease pathogen (e.g. covid spiked ball) thus either tagging it for easier destruction by groups of the regular white blood cell army (like popping a red smoke grenade tagging for jets to drop napalm) and/or neutralizing it keeping it from replicating or causing more harm (like Dan Sorensen hanging onto a running back who is trying to get to the first down marker.)
The code for these antibodies remains in your body afterward. So if the pathogen (disease) returns, your antibody factory can immediately get to work making antibodies and slapping them onto all the spike covid balls. Faster. More thoroughly. Making the disease much less effective and less harmful, less severe, less symptoms, go away faster, etc.
Vaccines, create a harmless replica (fake) version of the protein Covid makes, so your body then codes the blueprint for the antibodies and store it in memory. (like training your dog to attack ducks by using decoys) Then, when/if you actually get Covid, your body now can immediately make and deploy the antibodies instead of having to figure it all out. So the Covid gets attacked (and hopefully beaten) faster and more completely.
Some people's (very rare) adaptive immune system doesn't perform the way it should perfectly or might have a blind spot for that specific code and that is the rare case you have vaccinated people still can die of Covid. This is why even with vaccines, masks are a good idea and the more people who are vaccinated the less the disease will spread because people have it for a much shorter time and less concentrated in their bodies so less contagious.
Again, Vaccines don't prevent you from catching or being exposed to the disease. They train and prepare your body to beat it down faster and more completely when you are exposed.
This is a very top-line simplification, I am not a doctor nor scientist, but this is how I can best explain it. Go to google or YouTube search "adaptive immunity" or "how vaccines work" for more detailed info.
OK then Mr. Smartypants, then explain how it alters my DNA and makes me sterile [Reply]