Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
What exactly do you fear happening "long term?"
It is not about fear. My current risk of covid is extremely low. My long term risk of the vaccine is unknown.
Not even taking into account the risk of adverse side effects from the vaccine that have already been observed. (Not saying risk of side effects are high but neither is my risk of covid) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
It is not about fear. My current risk of covid is extremely low. My long term risk of the vaccine is unknown.
Not even taking into account the risk of adverse side effects from the vaccine that have already been observed. (Not saying risk of side effects are high but neither is my risk of covid)
What are the long-term effects of actually having Covid? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
It is not about fear. My current risk of covid is extremely low. My long term risk of the vaccine is unknown.
Not even taking into account the risk of adverse side effects from the vaccine that have already been observed. (Not saying risk of side effects are high but neither is my risk of covid)
So.. While you walk around asymptomatic, you can infect other people who are not so low risk. That's kind of the point. It's not all about you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
So.. While you walk around asymptomatic, you can infect other people who are not so low risk. That's kind of the point. It's not all about you.
For many folks, it absolutely is. That has become abundantly clear. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
So.. While you walk around asymptomatic, you can infect other people who are not so low risk. That's kind of the point. It's not all about you.
You do realize the vaccinated can carry the virus also right? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
What are the long-term effects of actually having Covid?
Depends on the severity. I have lesions on my lungs that will never go away. Evidently, I am at a much higher risk now for early-onset dementia. There are some people that are abnormally young, 40 to 50 years old, that are and have shown signs of dementia. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
You do realize the vaccinated can carry the virus also right?
Assuming that you mean contracted instead of carry. You cannot "carry" it unless you have contracted the virus. You do know that there are lots of people that have also contracted Covid after having it 3 months prior? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Easy 6:
1) How does a fully vaxxed, healthy looking 66 year old woman die of Covid? This happened just 30 miles from me - in the hospital where both of my kids were born, so it kinda hits home - and her kids are blaming the unvaxxed for her death
I spent three months studying the immune system to write a website for immunity supplements.
ADAPTIVE IMMUNITY is your body's third-level of immunity, where your body codes and creates "super fighters" (antibodies) to attack a specific and seriously harmful invader (covid, polio, measles, etc). When infected, your body initially goes through a gnarly defensive battle with the disease using regular means (white blood cells) and discovers that is not enough. So it creates a blueprint for special ANTIBODIES (the Y shaped things in vaccine diagrams) these antibodies are custom-coded to fit into a single specific pathogen (disease) like a lock and key. The antibody adheres to the disease pathogen (e.g. covid spiked ball) thus either tagging it for easier destruction by groups of the regular white blood cell army (like popping a red smoke grenade tagging for jets to drop napalm) and/or neutralizing it keeping it from replicating or causing more harm (like Dan Sorensen hanging onto a running back who is trying to get to the first down marker.)
The code for these antibodies remains in your body afterward. So if the pathogen (disease) returns, your antibody factory can immediately get to work making antibodies and slapping them onto all the spike covid balls. Faster. More thoroughly. Making the disease much less effective and less harmful, less severe, less symptoms, go away faster, etc.
Vaccines, create a harmless replica (fake) version of the protein Covid makes, so your body then codes the blueprint for the antibodies and store it in memory. (like training your dog to attack ducks by using decoys) Then, when/if you actually get Covid, your body now can immediately make and deploy the antibodies instead of having to figure it all out. So the Covid gets attacked (and hopefully beaten) faster and more completely.
Some people's (very rare) adaptive immune system doesn't perform the way it should perfectly or might have a blind spot for that specific code and that is the rare case you have vaccinated people still can die of Covid. This is why even with vaccines, masks are a good idea and the more people who are vaccinated the less the disease will spread because people have it for a much shorter time and less concentrated in their bodies so less contagious.
Again, Vaccines don't prevent you from catching or being exposed to the disease. They train and prepare your body to beat it down faster and more completely when you are exposed.
This is a very top-line simplification, I am not a doctor nor scientist, but this is how I can best explain it. Go to google or YouTube search "adaptive immunity" or "how vaccines work" for more detailed info. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
Assuming that you mean contracted instead of carry. You cannot "carry" it unless you have contracted the virus. You do know that there are lots of people that have also contracted Covid after having it 3 months prior?
Vaccinated people can carry and spread the virus even if they have no symptoms.
I would love the data on reinfection. You would think we would have the data available in the US. But I have never been able to find those statistics.
Recent studies on the delta variant in Israel show people with prior covid infection are less at risk than those that have only been vaccinated. However, It is not settled science so more data on the subject would be enlightening. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
It will help because it has been proven to lower the viral load making it easier to recover with less side effects.
Again how does this help people who have already had covid? Damage is done the vaccine is not going to help that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Vaccinated people can carry and spread the virus even if they have no symptoms.
I would love the data on reinfection. You would think we would have the data available in the US. But I have never been able to find those statistics.
Recent studies on the delta variant in Israel show people with prior covid infection are less at risk than those that have only been vaccinated. However, It is not settled science so more data on the subject would be enlightening.
Asymptomatic people are still positive for the virus, therefore, can spread the virus until the virus has run its course.
I would also love to see those stats, I am sure many would still try and discount those numbers.
Why do people care so much about Isreal and what their studies conclude? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
Asymptomatic people are still positive for the virus, therefore, can spread the virus until the virus has run its course.
I would also love to see those stats, I am sure many would still try and discount those numbers.
Why do people care so much about Isreal and what their studies conclude?
Because they are using the same vaccine as the US and seem to be publishing data on the subject. [Reply]