Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
When my risk is so low of getting that sick. Then why would I take medicine I don't need. Especially a new type of medicine that has never been used before.
Plus there is data out there that people who have had covid are just as protected if not more than those that are just vaccinated.
Totally agree.
It makes complete sense that you'd feel more comfortable being infected by a bioweapon developed by Chinese scientists designed to kill people than you would a vaccine developed by an American company to protect people from said bioweapon.
I remain much more concerned about the unknowns surrounding the vaccine. [Reply]
One of my best friends got covid and let us know last wed. He was vaccinated and sick for about 12 hours. He was fine the next day to do yard work. Has felt fine since. Sounds like the vaccine kicked it's ass. We had a draft party for fantasy football with others and no one else tested positive as of yet and it's been about 14 days.
My other friend and his wife got covid 2 months ago and got bed ridden sick for 2 weeks. Both are thin people too no issues. They did not vaccinated but now are rethinking it cause they've never felt so sick in their life. Neither went to the hospital but definitely had a rough time and considered it.
I saw him a few weeks ago and he was doing better but still has breathing issues and lost his taste. His wife has had breathing issues a bit after but mostly ok.
Originally Posted by Nirvana58:
Especially a new type of medicine that has never been used before.
Why do you think it is a new type? The flu vaccine has been an mRNA for over a decade now. The Sars vaccine has been being researched since the early 2000s. The current vaccine is the most researched and studied vaccine EVER. [Reply]
I spent months trying to convince my mother to get vaccinated. She was very stubbornly against it. Finally talked her into the one shot vaccine last Friday. Then we had a birthday party for her on Sunday. Today she called me as said she'd got a bunch of symptoms and tested positive for covid.
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
One of my best friends got covid and let us know last wed. He was vaccinated and sick for about 12 hours. He was fine the next day to do yard work. Has felt fine since. Sounds like the vaccine kicked it's ass.
This is like the ideal scenario. I'm coming up on 6 months vaccinated. I seriously wouldn't mind getting a mild case of covid right now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Fish:
I spent months trying to convince my mother to get vaccinated. She was very stubbornly against it. Finally talked her into the one shot vaccine last Friday. Then we had a birthday party for her on Sunday. Today she called me as said she'd got a bunch of symptoms and tested positive for covid.
Originally Posted by Fish:
I spent months trying to convince my mother to get vaccinated. She was very stubbornly against it. Finally talked her into the one shot vaccine last Friday. Then we had a birthday party for her on Sunday. Today she called me as said she'd got a bunch of symptoms and tested positive for covid.
Fuck.
Ugh. Hopefully she gets that 2nd shot when she's better. Hopefully it won't be too bad. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
This is like the ideal scenario. I'm coming up on 6 months vaccinated. I seriously wouldn't mind getting a mild case of covid right now.
Yeah, he has no complaints just felt crappy he said with cold/feverish symptoms. His wife and kids did not get it as of yet either since he quarantined once he got a test which was quick. [Reply]
What I think people need to understand also, is the fact that even if you are vaccinated - your immune system might have been good enough to thwart covid without its help.
Hear me out. Vaccines help. No doubt.
But pre vaccine - 40% of infected with covid were Asymptomatic and 80% would get no worse than mild symptoms.
Post vaccine - we learned that 80% are asymptomatic and 95% only suffer mild symptoms …
That shows protection.
That being said. Those same people who have covid who have take. the vaccine could have also been fine without it (assumption based on the numbers above) I can’t prove that obviously due to the fact that we will never know.
I guess my point is that the immune system in your body is badass - and fights off diseases every day and kicks it in the ass.
I think we have lost ourselves when we say that the vaccination is the only way to beat this when most do anyway.
I think the vulnerable and the elderly need it. I just think we are giving too much credit to it when covid existed before vaccines and there was a very high recovery rate and we know it killed off people that were super vulnerable.
Not a vaccine hate post - but also need to add some perspective because I think we have tipped over to the other side of, if you didn’t get a vaccine you are stupid and selfish and should have no rights. [Reply]
