On what planet, besides Chiefs Planet, is Walter Nolen falling out of the top 15?
I'm genuinely curious. I've seen a lot of shit about this and I just can't reconcile that.
To me, he's an even better prospect than Jalen Carter was and he went 9th with character flaws. The only thing that pushes him down a little bit more than maybe Carter is that Mason Graham is going top 5-6.
Nolen isn't making it within any stratosphere of the Chiefs' pick. Bank it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
On what planet, besides Chiefs Planet, is Walter Nolen falling out of the top 15?
I'm genuinely curious. I've seen a lot of shit about this and I just can't reconcile that.
To me, he's an even better prospect than Jalen Carter was and he went 9th with character flaws. The only thing that pushes him down a little bit more than maybe Carter is that Mason Graham is going top 5-6.
Nolen isn't making it within any stratosphere of the Chiefs' pick. Bank it.
He shouldn't, but for whatever reason, all the noise seems to indicate he will. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
He shouldn't, but for whatever reason, all the noise seems to indicate he will.
I think the "noise" is 9 parts bullshit and 1 part some semblance of truth. "He's got attitude issues," and "he didn't work out at the combine" does not equate to "he's going to fall to the 2nd round." This is where I agree with Daniel Kelly. Come up with some sort of concrete evidence that he has character flaws, and I'll believe it. Until then, it looks like way too much pre-draft chatter bullshit.
Unless Nolen is actively in a gang or some shit, he's probably not dropping outside of the top 20. I don't even think he'll make it that far. He's too good as a 4-3 3T or a 3-4 5T. He is pure disruption, and his run defense isn't half as bad as is currently made out.
Sometimes, consistently good players get overanalyzed. I'd say Kelvin Banks fits in that demographic as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I think the "noise" is 9 parts bullshit and 1 part some semblance of truth. "He's got attitude issues," and "he didn't work out at the combine" does not equate to "he's going to fall to the 2nd round." This is where I agree with Daniel Kelly. Come up with some sort of concrete evidence that he has character flaws, and I'll believe it. Until then, it looks like way too much pre-draft chatter bullshit.
Unless Nolen is actively in a gang or some shit, he's probably not dropping outside of the top 20. I don't even think he'll make it that far. He's too good as a 4-3 3T or a 3-4 5T. He is pure disruption, and his run defense isn't half as bad as is currently made out.
Sometimes, consistently good players get overanalyzed. I'd say Kelvin Banks fits in that demographic as well.
Well, I read that he has a BUNCH of overdue library books, as well as some unpaid parking tickets, so... [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I just don't see what's special about Hampton to the point that we'd take him over a slew of other similarly situated prospects at positions of far greater need.
Especially when you look at the RB depth in this class.
I mean there are folks that are in love with the guy and man, I just don't see it. He's fine. Probably gonna be a good player. But he's not a game-breaker. He's not a guy that fundamentally alters how defenses have to play this offense.
He's also not someone that's likely to see a 2nd contract here by virtue of the position he plays.
I mean we've gone from mocking Crow for Gibbs or that other knucklehead for his fascination with Jonathan Taylor to now wanting a guy in Hampton who's not as good a prospect as either of them.
It's odd. I don't get it.
Mostly I hope some team takes him in the top 20. Then everyone gets to be happy. Y'all get to be right because Hampton went high. I get to be happy because we didn't use a 1st rounder on him.
Everyone wins.
I don't have a raging hard on for him or anything. He's just the odds on favorite to be the 2nd RB off the board. I personally think the Chiefs would take Henderson over him, and maybe Judkins too, which is why I added Henderson to the list. [Reply]
Great tape against top competition. Great pass rush win rate. I think he's very underrated and in that tier of pass rushers.
Not including him in this list because there's not much 1st round buzz, but he'd be on the bubble of my list at worst.
Would have liked to see a lot more alignment at 5 instead of 7-9 is my main complaint. Prove you can win when you have to beat the guy in front of you type of thing.
I think there are too many quality rushers in front of him to get him into anything more than the very back end of the 2nd round. He's not going to top Tuimoloau, Scourton, Sawyer, Jackson, or a similar-ish rusher in Umanmielen. I do think he fits in right behind that group though. I'd put him over Burch, Kennard, Gillotte, Oladejo, etc. I think he has some traits you want to work with but he's going to need some work yet. I'd probably take him at 66, maybe even 63 if all those other dudes are gone but if they are then some other talent fell too. [Reply]
The beautiful thing about this discussion is it's clear the Chiefs are leaving day-1 with a really good player that will contribute immediately and be an integral part of this dynasty's next phase. I'm super excited to see who they select! [Reply]
If the Chiefs feel that Conerly or Simmons is a capably starting LT, then odds are more than likely that one of them will be there and only 2 teams (Packers/Texans) may pick them.
Nolen and Harmon will both be gone. Don’t see how either will be in range for us. The question is this: what is the disparity between Kenneth Grant and a talent like Omar-Norman Lott or Josh Farmer? That’s the difference between 31 and 63.
I do like Scourton, but I do think that we could still get a good DE at 66 or even 95. And of course the they could get a quality RB in rd 2 or 3. Maybe even 4.
Rd 3 and 4 is really strong. Better than many other years IMO. Veach trading Sneed for pick 66 is really gonna help us.
If they really do believe in a LT, the depth and extra resources allows them to take that shot and still build the roster in needed areas. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Would have liked to see a lot more alignment at 5 instead of 7-9 is my main complaint. Prove you can win when you have to beat the guy in front of you type of thing.
I think there are too many quality rushers in front of him to get him into anything more than the very back end of the 2nd round. He's not going to top Tuimoloau, Scourton, Sawyer, Jackson, or a similar-ish rusher in Umanmielen. I do think he fits in right behind that group though. I'd put him over Burch, Kennard, Gillotte, Oladejo, etc. I think he has some traits you want to work with but he's going to need some work yet. I'd probably take him at 66, maybe even 63 if all those other dudes are gone but if they are then some other talent fell too.
Yeah, Gillotte was the first name that came to my head.
Very similarly rated prospects. I just see those slotting best in that 50-75 range. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
Would have liked to see a lot more alignment at 5 instead of 7-9 is my main complaint. Prove you can win when you have to beat the guy in front of you type of thing.
I think there are too many quality rushers in front of him to get him into anything more than the very back end of the 2nd round. He's not going to top Tuimoloau, Scourton, Sawyer, Jackson, or a similar-ish rusher in Umanmielen. I do think he fits in right behind that group though. I'd put him over Burch, Kennard, Gillotte, Oladejo, etc. I think he has some traits you want to work with but he's going to need some work yet. I'd probably take him at 66, maybe even 63 if all those other dudes are gone but if they are then some other talent fell too.
I'd have Swinson just below Scourton and Tui, but ahead of those other guys like Princely. [Reply]
I asked Grok AI to predict all of our draft picks. I've been playing around with it lately and it's pretty impressive tbh.
1st: Josh Conerly Jr, OT Oregon
2nd: Derrick Harmon, DT Oregon
3rd: Omarion Hampton, HB North Carolina
3rd: Jalen Royals, WR Utah State
4th: Jordan Burch, EDGE Oregon
7th: Charles Grant, OG William & Mary
7th: Donovan Jackson, OG Ohio State
7th: Gabe Hall, DT Baylor
I doubt we take 3 Oregon players though lol [Reply]
I really like Nic Scourton but man this kid is right with him IMO. He’s really damn good and more athletic than people give him credit for.
Not sure why everyone got quiet on JT Tuimoloau. Consistently wins with Power, technique & Instincts. Has great size & length. Can play up or down. Stops the run, can drop in coverage, pass deflection machine. Seems to impact the game in many ways especially in big moments. 6.5… pic.twitter.com/LrznCOu5bu