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Nzoner's Game Room>Devin White, not a fan of Chiefs' coaching
JakeF 09:23 AM 02-17-2021
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A message for Chiefs about Super Bowl game plan for Patrick Mahomes, offense

One word: ouch, White didn't hold back

By Patrik Walker
1 hr ago

It goes without saying the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are enjoying not only the victory itself in Super Bowl 2021 over Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, but most certainly the spoils thereof. Take one look at linebacker Devin White and you'll immediately find evidence to that fact, having now gone from taking his Dream lap around Raymond James Stadium on his horse to grabbing a scalpel and surgically dissecting the Chiefs for a second time -- this time verbally. Never one to mince words, the All-Pro is fed up with hearing how Kansas City was at a disadvantage because they were without starting tackles Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz, both sidelined by injury.

To put it plainly, White wants everyone to can those excuses, tie them to a rocket and fire them into the sun, as he so eloquently made clear in a recent interview with FS1's "Undisputed." The 23-year-old laid into head coach Andy Reid, offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy and anyone else who had a hand in scheming protection for Mahomes.

"We knew that they was gonna be a cocky team, which they have every right to be," White said, via NFL reporter Dov Kleiman. "They [were] the No. 1 offense in the entire National Football League. But the thing is, we knew they couldn't block us. We knew that our front four was gonna dominate them.

"So they did us a favor. They played right into our hands."

How so? Well, White points out the Chiefs' refusal to send any help to the edges.

"We weren't gonna be that cocky team like, 'Hey, we're gonna play them in Cover One, we're gonna shut them down,'" he said. "Our best guys matched up on their best guys. We was gonna make it be a team, collective win on defense, and that's what we did. So at the end of the day they shouldn't even talk about not having their offensive tackles when they didn't even help them.

"They put them on islands by themselves with the best pass rushers in the game. So that's their own fault."

In looking at the film, White is telling the truth. Kansas City's plan to pretend their backups could play iso against the vicious defensive front of the Bucs was doomed from the start. Mahomes was under siege most of the evening and when he finally did break free at times, it was for naught, thanks to drops by franchise targets like tight end Travis Kelce and wide receiver Tyreek Hill -- with running back Darrel Williams getting in on the drop action as well. Mahomes was sacked three times and bullied much, much more than that would indicate, having also been hit a combined nine times in the game.

Shaq Barrett alone owned one of those sacks and four of those QB hits, with Ndamukong Suh and others also joining the party to keep Mahomes out of the end zone both on the ground and in the air. He'd finish with 23 incompletions and two interceptions on the day, and while he was able to muster 270 passing yards, White says they shouldn't go writing home to mother about that number.

"They started gaining yards when we were already up 21 points," said White."We already gave our little brothers the controllers, and they just started giving up little BS yards at the end. I know everybody praising Travis Kelce [for having] 133 yards, but a lot of that came at the end of the game when it was already over -- we're sitting back in zone and playing soft. The same for Tyreek Hill.

"... They gave him a lot of yards and it made it look like he had a decent day. We know what went on, there was a lot of toe tagging out there."
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-King- 03:23 PM 02-17-2021
Originally Posted by Coochie liquor:
I’m saying the NFL didn’t want us winning a SB overshadowed by Britt possibly killing a kid. They made the call after that.
Using a 5 year old who almost got killed as a way to fuel your football conspiracy theories is really fucking low.
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Coochie liquor 03:41 PM 02-17-2021
Originally Posted by -King-:
Using a 5 year old who almost got killed as a way to fuel your football conspiracy theories is really fucking low.
So what’s your explanation? Why was the team as a whole unfocused? Why was there such a disparity in penalties? Any clue King Ding Dong?? Do you think the league wanted to deal with that fallout on a Championship team?
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Valiant 04:07 PM 02-17-2021
Besides the foul discrepancies. He is not wrong. Our coaching was bad and did not adjust. We should have beaten them. This is on the coaches and players for not saying something.

Pat needed help from an extra blocker and moving pocket. We needed short routes. Literally the way TB adjusted and hit us with quick throws.
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-King- 04:32 PM 02-17-2021
Originally Posted by Coochie liquor:
So what’s your explanation? Why was the team as a whole unfocused? Why was there such a disparity in penalties? Any clue King Ding Dong?? Do you think the league wanted to deal with that fallout on a Championship team?
The team was unfocused because the head coaches son potentially killed 2 kids 3 days prior to the game leaving practice. Wtf?

And the disparity of penalties is because the chiefs have been one of the most penalized teams in the league the last few years and Tom Brady teams tend to be one of the least. I could have told you that would be the case long before the superbowl.
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New World Order 04:37 PM 02-17-2021
Originally Posted by Coochie liquor:
The team was just not the same as we’ve seen them for 3 seasons. Didn’t hardly see the players interacting, didn’t see Mahomes and Kelce rallying the guys. Britt Reid ****ed us, and that’s not the worst. He almost killed a kid too.
It's pretty much the worst set of circumstances you could have for a Super Bowl.

-The entire starting offensive line is pretty much wiped out

-Multiple positions on the o-line were assigned different spots

-A coach on the team is involved in a near-fatal accident, nearly causing the death of a child

-The coach on the team that was involved in the accident is the head coach's son.
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Sure-Oz 04:40 PM 02-17-2021
This team is going to come out pissed next season. I really wish they got to play TB again.
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Sure-Oz 04:41 PM 02-17-2021
Originally Posted by New World Order:
It's pretty much the worst set of circumstances you could have for a Super Bowl.

-The entire starting offensive line is pretty much wiped out

-Multiple positions on the o-line were assigned different spots

-A coach on the team is involved in a near-fatal accident, nearly causing the death of a child

-The coach on the team that was involved in the accident is the head coach's son.
It definitely didn't feel like the team was ready to go at all.
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Coochie liquor 05:59 PM 02-17-2021
Originally Posted by -King-:
The team was unfocused because the head coaches son potentially killed 2 kids 3 days prior to the game leaving practice. Wtf?

And the disparity of penalties is because the chiefs have been one of the most penalized teams in the league the last few years and Tom Brady teams tend to be one of the least. I could have told you that would be the case long before the superbowl.
Then why did you pick the Chiefs to win 37-31?
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JakeF 06:21 PM 02-17-2021
Originally Posted by -King-:
The team was unfocused because the head coaches son potentially killed 2 kids 3 days prior to the game leaving practice. Wtf?

And the disparity of penalties is because the chiefs have been one of the most penalized teams in the league the last few years and Tom Brady teams tend to be one of the least. I could have told you that would be the case long before the superbowl.
Come on. We were unfocused for part of games all year. We did dumb stuff, coached dumb stuff, only to have Mahomes save us in the end.

We played russian roulette all year and got shot in the head in the Super Bowl.

Reid coached poorly most of the SB. The refs screwed us HARD. Tampa Bay is good enough to keep us from overcoming all the over stuff and coming back to win. You could see it coming a mile away. Homers just didn't want to believe it.

Reid and Veach should have worked on the Oline all year but they didn't. Wisniewski left for the Steelers even though he was the first answer we've found for left tackle in maybe a decade. LDT didn't really play well last year and the guy we got to back him up was another injury-prone guy. We've been skating by without a strong swing tackle for years and betting that Fisher/Schwartz would stay healthy. This year it caught up with us. We keep letting Centers walk instead of paying them until we ending up in scrubville.
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chiefzilla1501 06:25 PM 02-17-2021
Originally Posted by JakeF:
Come on. We were unfocused for part of games all year. We did dumb stuff, coached dumb stuff, only to have Mahomes save us at the end.

We played russian roulette all year and got shot in the head in the Super Bowl.

Reid coached poorly most of the game. The refs screwed us HARD. Tampa Bay is good enough to keep us from overcoming all the over stuff and coming back to win. You could see it coming a mile away. Homers just didn't want to hear it.

Reid and Veach should have worked on the Oline all year but they didn't. Wisniewski left for the Steelers even though he was the first answer we've found for left tackle in maybe a decade. LDT didn't really play well last year and the guy we got to back him up was another injury-prone guy. We've been skating by without a strong swing tackle for years and betting that Fisher/Schwartz would stay healthy. This year it caught up with us. We keep letting Centers walk instead of paying them until we ending up in scrubville.
I still will never understand anyone who blames veach and Reid for the state of our OL. We may have done perfectly fine with a healthy fisher. We looked fine when we played Tampa earlier in the year.

How many starting caliber backup OL do you expect on a roster? How many were we going to get given that a gazillion OL were getting hurt across the league because we didn't have a preseason?
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staylor26 06:26 PM 02-17-2021
Originally Posted by -King-:
The team was unfocused because the head coaches son potentially killed 2 kids 3 days prior to the game leaving practice. Wtf?

And the disparity of penalties is because the chiefs have been one of the most penalized teams in the league the last few years and Tom Brady teams tend to be one of the least. I could have told you that would be the case long before the superbowl.
:-)

Yea it wasn’t that the officiating was completely and blatantly one-sided in the 1st half. It’s because somehow Tom Brady makes his entire team more disciplined on his own!

:-)

Imagine believing this garbage. Holy shit.
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JakeF 06:38 PM 02-17-2021
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
I still will never understand anyone who blames veach and Reid for the state of our OL. We may have done perfectly fine with a healthy fisher. We looked fine when we played Tampa earlier in the year.

How many starting caliber backup OL you expect on a roster? How many were we going to get given that a gazillion OL were getting hurt across the league because we didn't have a preseason?
Maybe because Reid and Veach are the people who sign our offensive line? Perfectly fine is relative, we really haven't been "Perfectly Fine" along the oline all year. I imagine you disagree. Mahomes running for his life, janky running game, is not fine imo.

If the Chiefs had improved our center position and had better backups at OT we have another Super Bowl Championship right now. It would have been more than worth it. We more or less stood pat and came up short.
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J Diddy 07:05 PM 02-17-2021
Originally Posted by JakeF:
Maybe because Reid and Veach are the people who sign our offensive line? Perfectly fine is relative, we really haven't been "Perfectly Fine" along the oline all year. I imagine you disagree. Mahomes running for his life, janky running game, is not fine imo.

If the Chiefs had improved our center position and had better backups at OT we have another Super Bowl Championship right now. It would have been more than worth it. We more or less stood pat and came up short.
Didn't we start the year owing money to the cap? Who were we going to sign that would have been effective?
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JakeF 07:23 PM 02-17-2021
Originally Posted by J Diddy:
Didn't we start the year owing money to the cap? Who were we going to sign that would have been effective?
Good point. We don't know what our money situation is right now. Personally, i would have probably traded Chris Jones for some quality picks and saved the 20 million per year cap hit. That's more picks to fix the Offensive line and RDE.

We go with Clark, Nnadi, Saunders, Draft pick. I think benefit greatly from a good horse shoe pocket rush. Turn the corners, contain the run, let the linebackers attack the gaps etc.

Pipedream, we trade and draft pick + Chris Jones to Washington for th #2 pick and OT Trent Williams. This was before Chase Young exploded on the scene. Washington didn't know what he would do yet. It's a pipedream but that would be the general idea.
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Coochie liquor 07:30 PM 02-17-2021
Originally Posted by JakeF:
Maybe because Reid and Veach are the people who sign our offensive line? Perfectly fine is relative, we really haven't been "Perfectly Fine" along the oline all year. I imagine you disagree. Mahomes running for his life, janky running game, is not fine imo.

If the Chiefs had improved our center position and had better backups at OT we have another Super Bowl Championship right now. It would have been more than worth it. We more or less stood pat and came up short.
Didn’t our center just go basically a year without giving up a sack?
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