Just tell me you traded to get Kadarius Toney. That makes everything all right.

On a serious note, I have no idea why that trade would ignite any emotional response. Are there any reasons given?
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You're in a league with some bitches.
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No, I have Lamar Jackson in this league so I was going after Andrews. And dangled Toney DURING the game as he was out there raping faces hoping for a trade-high situation.

And no, no reasons. I don't get it. Schultz, with Dak back, is a PPR horse. He's a really good TE. Pickens and Toney have outstanding keeper values.

But/for the double dip potential I'd get with Jackson/Andrews, this isn't even a deal I'd likely make. Drake London is largely a non-factor and I'm guessing Robinson wouldn't even stay on my roster.

But the league thinks I'm screwing the guy.

Because, as Raybec noted, there's evidently a buncha bitches in this league.

It's just so strange to me.

And this, friends, is why no league I ever run will have a veto feature. If I'm the commish, I'm the arbiter of what goes through. And the only thing that WON'T go through is if I see some evidence or pattern that demonstrates collusion.

It's a decent amount of change for winning the thing; $700 I think. And I've won it 3 of the last 4 years (and lost in the finals in the other). So I think they're just getting kinda asshurt here.

Be better at fantasy football - stop yanking my chain.
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Always double dip. Always.

You’ve got some salty bitches.
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How many votes are needed to veto? Found out recently that my 12 team league only needs 4 votes to veto a trade which seems low. It would seem like there would need to be 5 at least, which would be half of the non trading parties.
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Yup. Only 4.

Ridiculous.
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What the hell are you missing? Like every fucking thing. I'd veto that trade 10/10 times.

Take the London/Pickens wash out of it and look at that trade seriously.

If he pays major dividends at all this year, Toney probably wouldn't be a major factor until the FF playoffs. Even then...

Do you think Schultz and Toney combined equal a top-3 TE? No way. And, at that, you have to play both of them to HOPE that they can equal Andrews.

It's akin to the fuckjob that happened in my other league. I vetoed but it didn't get enough...

Some whack job traded Cooper Kupp for JuJu Smith-Schuster and Mike Gesicki and this was before JuJu strung together a couple nice games to the same team that already pulled off another trade where he got Tyreek Hill and the Bucs defense for Gabe Davis, Romeo Doubs, and Garrett Wilson...

Now the dude has this starting lineup:
QB P. Mahomes, RB C. McCaffrey, A. Jones, J. Williams (DET), WRs T. Hill, C. Kupp, TE T. Kelce, D 49ers, K H. Butker.

Tell me who the fuck is beating him?

And that's why there are vetoes. It's supposed to stop this kind of shit.
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Man I'm glad I don't play in these lame ass leagues where people get to vote on vetoing trades.
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If you're playing for money and you don't have a veto system, what's there to stop a couple guys from splitting the pot and stacking one team?

Nothing.

It's stupid not to have a veto system unless it's all for funsies.
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Well let's see. McCaffery is in a time share. Jones has been meh, Williams is unreliable. Kupp is on IR. And Butker has missed at least one kick every game. So I don't think that's a unfair as you think it is.

Also, don't be such a bitch. Not every not exactly even trade is collusion. You're just being sore that you couldn't accomplish the same type of trade. Your feelings shouldn't factor in to somebody else trade.
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Clearly, you have no fucking clue wtf you are talking about.

Kupp going on IR happened what, a day ago... At the time of the trade it was stupid as fuck.
McCaffrey is only going to get more and more touches as he gets acclimated in SF. I'm still doing quite fine with him in my leagues.
Jones and Williams are equally productive and you can usually get 80+ out of them. Williams has been better, really, because he's popped with 2 TD games a few times.
Butker remains one of the higher-scoring kickers, don't be an asshat.

As for it being fair, the only thing that's helping right now is that Kupp got hurt, the Packers have been retarded, and McCaffrey is on a new team. If not, he'd be beating people by 50 instead of 20.
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You asked who's beating that team. Not who could have beat that team three weeks ago, or who could beat that team if they were all healthy and playing at their highest level. And it's funny you think mccaffrey is going to get more touches when he had more touches in his 2nd game than he did in the game after the bye week. And on the heels of Shanahan stating that they are wanting to keep him and Mitchell close on touches.

As for the kupp trade, no it wasn't even. But if it wasn't collusion, get your feelings out it. Two people agreeing to a trade fairly is enough for the trade to not be vetoed.
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Or Andrews aggravates his shoulder and I get rat fucked.

And while I agree that the trade favors the Andrews side, I don't think you're giving due weight to Schultz in a PPR. When Dak is his QB, he gets a lot of volume. He was a top 5 TE last year and I think there's every reason to believe he will be this year as well.

Moreover, this is a keeper league that will even allow you trade draft picks next season for help this season. It's a league that has always looked into long-term value exchanges. The keeper value of the respective players is heavily in favor of the Schultz side of the deal given that all 3 of those guys has the potential to turn serious surplus value over the pick that would be needed to keep them.

If you're not allowed to consider future value in a trade, why allow for draft pick deals? This league always has.

The projections I looked at yielded about a +6/wk for my squad overall. A viable target score in that league is about 165; my team presently averages about 180 to get me to 7-3.

So this would make a .500 team about 4% better.

I'm sorry, that's not a trade you veto absent evidence of collusion. The idea of an 'approval' process for player values is nuts to me. If you bid 50% more than the rest of the league things someone is worth in FAAB, should THAT be invalidated? If I include next years first round pick in the deal, does that make it pass muster for you? Afterall, my team still improves the exact same amount. What if I put the pick in instead of Toney? Uh oh - is it getting to close for your tastes now?

This is why veto processes suck. Who is anyone else in the league to decide what a 'fair' player evaluation is? And it damn sure shouldn't be the case that a couple of 11th or 12th place also rans with all their FAAB budget and 4 moves on the year should be able to go overturning deals from two owners who have FAR outperformed them this year.

So just stay out of it unless you think people are cheating. It doesn't make any sense.
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I thought part of the fun was getting to screw a guy when able? But honestly, and maybe I'm just not seeing something with that trade, it doesn't look like that big a deal.
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