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Mike Pompeo 0 0%
Greg Abbott 0 0%
Chris Christie 2 3.57%
Ted Cruz 2 3.57%
Tim Scott 2 3.57%
Nikki Haley 2 3.57%
Ron DeSantis 32 57.14%
The Donald 10 17.86%
Other 6 10.71%
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Patteeu Memorial Political Forum>GOPCP'ers - Who do you *WANT* to see run for POTUS in 2024?
Mephistopheles Janx 10:51 AM 11-29-2021
Pretty straightforward. If you wish to qualify who you would chose and why I would be interested in reading it. I'd also be curious as to whom you might think would be the ideal running mate.
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Detoxing 11:33 AM 11-30-2021
Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.
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Donger 11:36 AM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
He's a nationalist, an optimist, and a federalist, which are important PRINCIPLES to me, particularly in light of his opposition, and particularly for the position of POTUS.
So that's a verbose, "No, he is not"?
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Baby Lee 11:37 AM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by BigBeauford:
Probably some form of Utilitarianism.]
You SAY that, then immediately resort to childish flowery emotive rhetoric to express your frustration that people don't love your guy enough and don't hate the guy you hate enough, . . . still without laying out the underlying principles on which your perspective is founded.
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Just Passin' By 11:37 AM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by F150:
What do you know of DeSantis' stands on the issues that make you such a strong Trumper? You must have some insight that supports your comment?

In many ways he comes across as having very much the same philosophies on taxation and trade and environment and oil/gas production as Trump without being so polarizing

I'm not a strong Trumper, as you put it. But the reality, as of now, is that Trump would win and DeSantis would be too easy to knock down.
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Baby Lee 11:38 AM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
So that's a verbose, "No, he is not"?
No, it's a concise but still comprehensive way of explaining that I don't give a shit about your labels.

And your response is a concise snarky way of saying 'I cede your observation, but I still prefer my labels.'
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chiefzilla1501 11:41 AM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
You're going to get [already gotten] heat for this, but let me explain my particular criticism, . . . for me it adds nothing to the conversation.

I accept the limitation I impose on myself by centering on ideas, but I also think it reasonable to observe that referring to perspectives without defining dispositive terms leads to confusion.

'A conservative like Amash' is meaningless to me, at least insofar as assessing what it means TO YOU . . . I could go out and learn everything there is possible to know about 'Amashism' and make a calculated guess about what parts of it makes it 'definitive' conservatism for you, and what makes it 'superior' conservatism. But it's still a guess.

And this ambiguity has downstream effects, because you think that people are 'rejecting' a construct in your mind, while they may be making numerous parol and unrelated assessments, regarding priorities, likelihood of success, likelihood of productive progress and many other things fairly untethered from their own construct of 'conservatism.'

For instance, when it comes to Trump -v- Cruz, or either of the Pauls, I can simultaneously hold in my head the competing facts that one might have better ideas and better compass, and another might have superior presence and presentation which leads to viability.

We are a diverse society, and premising your entire electoral standards on finding the perfect avatar, rejecting all imperfect avatars, and HOPING everyone has the exact same perspective as you, is folly. Particularly when you limit yourself to only expressing your principles in terms of avatars.

Lay out the actual IDEOLOGICAL principles that animate your passions.
I think nationalism and moral conservatism has hijacked the conservative that fights for constitutionalism and more limited government and fiscal restraint. Youíre free to feel that way but it loses credibility to complain about government spending and overreach.

Yes of course my view of conservatism is way more independent. I just think itís funny when a guy like amash gets trashed largely not because he is less conservative but because he doesnít toe the party line
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F150 11:45 AM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By:
I'm not a strong Trumper, as you put it. But the reality, as of now, is that Trump would win and DeSantis would be too easy to knock down.
Based on what? Thats a strong pro Trump statement.

What would you see in 2024 that would make Trump a better candidate than he was when he lost in 2020?

Biden had to be as weak a candidate as the dems have run in years yet Trump failed against such a horrible opponent.

What in DeSantis' case would make him "easy to knock down"? He seems very popular in Fla, has the right stands on Vax Mandates, and manages the press very well

Trumpers tend to see every option but Trump as a bad option and see Trump as unbeatable in denial that Don got beat once.
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BigBeauford 11:45 AM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
You SAY that, then immediately resort to childish flowery emotive rhetoric to express your frustration that people don't love your guy enough and don't hate the guy you hate enough, . . . still without laying out the underlying principles on which your perspective is founded.
I'm not dumb enough to put in the effort. I tried to do this during the 1st impeachment, and realize it isn't worth the effort. No one is here making an earnest attempt at changing anyone's mind. Should I say he has a voting record I generally approve of? Or that he actually gives a fuck about his constituents and justified his every vote in writing to his constituents?
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Donger 11:48 AM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
No, it's a concise but still comprehensive way of explaining that I don't give a shit about your labels.
That's an odd response to my question. It's not my label. I asked if you (and others) still consider Trump to be a conservative. Someone perked up about Mitt Romney not being a conservative, I presume because of his position on healthcare in Massachusetts. Trump in 2016 didn't exactly hold what could be considered a conservative position on government involvement in healthcare.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
And your response is a concise snarky way of saying 'I cede your observation, but I still prefer my labels.'
No it isn't. I didn't ask if you consider Trump to be any of the 'labels' which you give him.
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F150 11:51 AM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by BigBeauford:
This one still hurts. The greatest president we will never get.

Is this a troll attempt?
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BigBeauford 11:54 AM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by F150:
Is this a troll attempt?
No. I wholly support Justin Amash. He's my favorite politician since Ron Paul, and I would have gladly voted 3rd party for him.
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Baby Lee 11:56 AM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by BigBeauford:
ITT people are shitting on Amash and praising Trump. Just lol at these "constitutional conservatives". Trump wiped his ass with that piece of parchment and demonstrated he doesn't know a fucking thing about it.
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
You SAY that, then immediately resort to childish flowery emotive rhetoric to express your frustration that people don't love your guy enough and don't hate the guy you hate enough, . . . still without laying out the underlying principles on which your perspective is founded.
Originally Posted by BigBeauford:
I'm not dumb enough to put in the effort. I tried to do this during the 1st impeachment, and realize it isn't worth the effort. No one is here making an earnest attempt at changing anyone's mind. Should I say he has a voting record I generally approve of? Or that he actually gives a fuck about his constituents and justified his every vote in writing to his constituents?
Can you see the frustration. You are very passionate in your consternation that people don't see things the way you do, but you're not 'dumb enough' to explain how you see things.
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Just Passin' By 12:06 PM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by F150:
Based on what? Thats a strong pro Trump statement.
:-)

It's not a pro-Trump statement at all. It's just an acknowledgement of the current state of affairs.


Originally Posted by F150:
What would you see in 2024 that would make Trump a better candidate than he was when he lost in 2020?
The manipulations that were done by the Dems, and allowed by the courts, won't be available for the Dems again.


Originally Posted by F150:
Biden had to be as weak a candidate as the dems have run in years yet Trump failed against such a horrible opponent.
Biden was completely irrelevant. The 2020 election was about "Orange man bad!" and voting manipulation. And it would never have worked without the Wu Flu warping everything.

Originally Posted by F150:
What in DeSantis' case would make him "easy to knock down"? He seems very popular in Fla, has the right stands on Vax Mandates, and manages the press very well

Originally Posted by F150:
Trumpers tend to see every option but Trump as a bad option and see Trump as unbeatable in denial that Don got beat once.
I'm not a Trumper. Trump is far too much to the left for my tastes, he's too willing to cave to his opponents because he'd rather have a bad deal than no deal, I find many of his social positions to be dangerous to the country, I don't buy his "I'll lock the front door, but open the back door" approach to immigration as a viable solution. And so on.


But only fools think 2020 was a normal election where you take the normal lessons from it.
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BucEyedPea 12:15 PM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by BigBeauford:
ITT people are shitting on Amash and praising Trump. Just lol at these "constitutional conservatives". Trump wiped his ass with that piece of parchment and demonstrated he doesn't know a ****ing thing about it.
That's a BIG ****ING LIE. Trump's administration was largely Constitutional—particularly compared to Obama and Bush. It wasn't perfect but it was largely.

And I don't believe you support Ron Paul because I watch him regularly, and through multiple presidencies and he saw through the TDSers like yourself, even when he voiced some criticism of Trump which was not across the board like you do. Paul thought the impeachments were both bogus.

If Trump did something you don't consider Constitutional, it was probably just the same things done previously for decades, since it's been eroded over time. So he followed certain things as they came to be considered Constitutional and allowable. But his admin was still largely Constitutional. No president is as Constitutional as Ron Paul is and I doubt you certain are.

Besides that, Paul has been critical of the Covid vaccines, the mandates, the masks and the draconian handlings for Covid which you are not.
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BucEyedPea 12:20 PM 11-30-2021
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By:


  • Lack of national experience
  • Similar, though lesser, aggressive approach to opposition
  • Lack of a sufficient national following


Many governors have run for office who did not have national experience. However, DeSantis was in Congress as a Representative which comes closest to national experience.

Senators don't usually have executive experience but they run.
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