Originally Posted by Otter:
Don't recall any references to sexual preference, being transgender, or any LGBTQ themes either.
Don't care about color of their skin. It's woke agenda pushing. Don't piggy back off the title if you're going to bastardize the lore.
Like you said though there's no references to gender or sexual identity. If Tolkien didn't explicitly define those things, including race, then there's nothing "anti-canon" about it.
Don't get me wrong - I would prefer not to see agendas blatantly pushed by Hollywood. I don't want it rammed down my throat.
But in this instance, it seems to be much to do about nothing. Tolkien didn't say all humans were white or that elves couldn't be gay. He simply didn't mention it, so the argument that it "destroys immersion" just doesn't fly. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Otter:
They're doing a remake and many of us read the books and watched the original movies. Show some respect to the original if you're going to use the title.
I read both Wiseguy and watched Goodfellas. One of my favorite stories of all time.
How about if someone remade the story with Robert De Niro's character as a cross dresser, Joe Pesci's character as a flaming gay (ala Richard Simmons), Henry Hill as a transvestite, and Big Paulie as a crippled bi-sexual.
Respect the lore if you're going to use the title or don't piggyback off it.
Imagine the outrage if they casted a white actor as Black Panther. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Carr4MVP:
Imagine the outrage if they casted a white actor as Black Panther.
Is it really this hard for you to understand the difference?
Black Panther is the king of an interior African nation. The title has been passed down from son-to-son for the last thousand years. Being black is central to Black Panther's character. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Is it really this hard for you to understand the difference?
Black Panther is the king of an interior African nation. The title has been passed down from son-to-son for the last thousand years. Being black is central to Black Panther's character.
And being white is essential to many characters that have been changed over the years.
I saw a Frozen show at WDW. Kristoff was black. A black guy in 1700s Norway. Doesn't make any sense unless you plagued by white guilt :-) [Reply]
If the "diversity" of the cast bothers you, take comfort in knowing that the humans in LOTR are almost exclusively white. That means pretty much all minorities were exterminated before "Fellowship of the Ring". Get out your Jergens and enjoy! [Reply]
My problem with this isn’t that they have black elves or dwarves, it’s that it feels forced and inorganic.
For instance, The Batman has a black Catwoman and Commissioner Gordon, but watching the trailer and knowing Matt Reeves and those 2 actors, he didn’t cast them because they were black. They’re logical castings.
I feel the same way about Idris Elba being 007. That’s a great casting if it happens.
But when I heard the rumors that DC/WB wanted to make a “black Superman movie” with Michael B. Jordan, it sounded terrible before it even started.
If you’re going into it thinking “I want to have black dwarves and elves”, it’s likely more about your politics than coming from a place of trying to make something good. Race shouldn’t matter.
I get the sense that whoever is running this show did it purposely, which is always a red flag.
There’s natural diversity, and then there’s diversity for the sake of diversity.
It doesn’t bother me to the point that I can’t still enjoy the show, but it gives me concerns that the show won’t be good.
If you’re going into it thinking “I want to have black dwarves and elves”, it’s likely more about your politics than coming from a place of trying to make something good. Race shouldn’t matter.
I get the sense that whoever is running this show did it purposely, which is always a red flag.
There’s natural diversity, and then there’s diversity for the sake of diversity.
Honestly I would rather see an entire group of elves or dwarves or whatever made up of a different race as opposed to token ones here and there. That feels more natural just given how small geographically isolated populations work. I liked how Wakanda and Black Panther was in that regard. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
8 years ago pasty white Brit Christian Bale played Moses, an Egyptian Jew, in a $100m+ budget worldwide film release.
Carr4MVP: *crickets*
A black kid plays Kristoff in a play at Disney World in Orlando.
Carr4MVP: wOkE pAnDeRiNg, this is literally the worst thing ever!
I wasn't on the board eight years ago, dipstick. So you would have no idea what I did or didn't say.
I didn't even know that movie existed until now.
That being said, idiotic casting.
My apologies for wanting to keep characters consistent. Kristoff is white. I don't want to see a white Tiana either. But I would bet $100 dollars if Disney had a white Tiana, the SJWs would burn down the park. Double standards. [Reply]
Welp, the very thought of Hollywood going full Hollywood and potentially injecting an overload of SJW bullshit into this story is going to ensure not only the fans tune in, but random internet warriors on both sides of the subject ready to flame away at the unwashed heathens on the other side. I'd say they're getting exactly what they wanted here. [Reply]
