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Nzoner's Game Room>Good article on Veach improving as a GM
jjchieffan 08:24 AM 05-09-2021
The article is pretty long, and has some charts included, so I'm not going to copy and paste it all, just tidbits. If you want to read the whole thing, the link is at the bottom.

Veach's work began before the draft with the Orlando Brown Jr. trade. The Brown trade has clear parallels to Veach's other blockbuster trade acquisition, when the Chiefs landed defensive end Frank Clark. But they also have some clear differences.


In the trade for Brown, Veach was more calculating in the draft capital he gave up.

In the Frank Clark trade, the Chiefs gave up a 2019 first-round pick, a 2020 second-round pick, and swapped third-round picks in 2019 with the Seahawks. That is a substantial amount of draft capital to give up for a player the Chiefs immediately played over $100 million.

The Brown trade was different. The Chiefs gave up a first, third, and fourth-round pick in 2021 along with a 2022 fifth-round pick and got back a 2021 second-round pick along with a 2022 sixth-round pick.


The differences in draft capital may not be immediately apparent, but they are immediately important.

A big win for the Brown trade was keeping almost all of the traded picks from the 2021 draft. It is much easier to appraise and evaluate what draft capital is expendable for a draft class that has already been scouted.

Another win came with the overall capital given up, as the Chiefs sacrificed less for a comparable player. Both Brown and Clark were ascending players, played important positions and were requesting to be traded from their original teams. Yet the Chiefs gave up less for Brown according to all the draft pick value charts out there. For example, according to the Rich Hill trade chart, the Chiefs gave up around 250 points of draft capital for Clark and only around 165 points of capital for Brown.

The key reason the Brown trade was a net win for the Chiefs was the return of Baltimore's second-round pick. That pick itself was the difference between the value of the Brown trade and the Clark trade. Veach himself said that the sweet spot of the 2021 NFL draft was the second-to-early-third round and him adding another pick in that range showed how he has evolved in trade negotiations since the Clark deal.


Take one of Veach's biggest swings of the draft, Florida State EDGE Joshua Kaindoh. The 6’6” 265-pound defensive end is more of an athlete than a polished pass rusher. However, he has shown the tools and technique in college which shows he understands what it takes at the position. Betting on his traits at the end of the fourth round is a very fair value proposition.

Contrast that with the pick of Ole Miss defensive lineman Breeland Speaks back in the 2018 draft. Veach traded up for Speaks in the second round of the 2018 draft and it was a bit of a shocking pick at the time. Speaks was not an exceptional athlete and did not carry a prototypical size for a defensive end. He was an undersized tackle who was too big to play end.

Speaks was the 222nd-ranked player on the Pro Football Focus big board, was not ranked on Sports Illustrated’s Top 100 big board, was ranked 69th on Mike Mayock’s big board, and was the 17th-highest ranked defensive lineman on Matt Miller’s big board. Even taking into account the highest ranking from the draft media at the time, Speaks was overdrafted with the 46th overall pick.

The evolution of the process from Speaks to Kaindoh really shows how Veach has evolved as a general manager. Taking smarter swings with this mindset will raise the floor and ceiling of the roster as it is constructed going forward.

https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/gm-rep...eneral-manager
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Rasputin 12:28 PM 05-09-2021
I like listening to his pressers he doesn't talk down to us but at our level of understanding and he is great. Dorsey would keep talking about leaving ego at the door but he had an ego and fuck you Pissoli. King Carl just never got us a quarterback but we were either good on defense (Marty rip:-) ) or good on offense (Dick Vermeil) but never balanced. I think Brett Veach is bringing balance to our football team the way he fixed our defense in one year was just a work of art.
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Wilson8 12:41 PM 05-09-2021
Originally Posted by Rasputin:
I like listening to his pressers he doesn't talk down to us but at our level of understanding and he is great. Dorsey would keep talking about leaving ego at the door but he had an ego and **** you Pissoli. King Carl just never got us a quarterback but we were either good on defense (Marty rip:-) ) or good on offense (Dick Vermeil) but never balanced. I think Brett Veach is bringing balance to our football team the way he fixed our defense in one year was just a work of art.
I agree with this.

He is only 43, so maybe when he wins a few more Super Bowls his ego gets a little bigger. I really like Brett Veach and love to hear his media reports.
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Deberg_1990 12:43 PM 05-09-2021
Originally Posted by Rasputin:

I remember I saw him at training camp when I took my son in 2017 Patricks rookie season and was like wow look at the size of his calves but I didn't know it was Brett Veach but I heard someone say his name.
From my understanding, he was a pretty damn good athlete in high school and college.
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bevischief 01:35 PM 05-09-2021
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I thought that last offseason was a masterclass in GM’ing by Veach. I didn’t think he could possibly do any better but then you realize he didn’t have any major issues coming off the Super Bowl title.

This year was elite GM work. And it’s crazy that it just worked out the way it did bc Orlando Brown Jr was a better move than Trent Williams due to age, short term money and health. Same thing with Creed Humphrey compared to Rodney Hudson.

I do think it’s noticeable how well Veach does. I don’t think Wilson and Rodgers just get mad at their franchises. They see how good Patrick has it here and are extremely jealous.

They want a GM like Veach
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