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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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MahomesMagic 10:34 AM 05-10-2021
Originally Posted by Monticore:
The vulnerable people now are the unvaccinated.
A person under 55 years old with no pre-existing health issues is not vulnerable.

But I guess it comes down to your appetite for risk.

1.4 deaths per 10000 for Covid now in the US vs 1.3 deaths per 10000 for flu.

If that scares you go get your shot. And your booster.
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Monticore 10:42 AM 05-10-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
A person under 55 years old with no pre-existing health issues is not vulnerable.

But I guess it comes down to your appetite for risk.

1.4 deaths per 10000 for Covid now in the US vs 1.3 deaths per 10000 for flu.

If that scares you go get your shot. And your booster.
Nothing to do with fear , in a pool of people the unvaccinated would be considered higher risk than the vaccinated , 40 year old unvaccinated is more vulnerable than a 60 year old vaccinated.
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ChiTown 10:43 AM 05-10-2021
Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother:
There is absolutely zero reason for a fully vaccinated person to be forced to wear one. Also, if you haven't been vaccinated at this point,, that and the risk is on you.
No excuse. That's why. Not one damn logical reason.
That's where I'm at. As of May 1st, everyone in the US 16 and older is eligible to get the shot, correct?

Get your gawdman shot. By end of June, there shouldn't be a mask mandate ANYWHERE in the US. If you haven't been fully vaccinated by then, it's completely on you, and I'm no longer inclined to worry about people hesitant to get the shot.
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O.city 10:43 AM 05-10-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
A person under 55 years old with no pre-existing health issues is not vulnerable.

But I guess it comes down to your appetite for risk.

1.4 deaths per 10000 for Covid now in the US vs 1.3 deaths per 10000 for flu.

If that scares you go get your shot. And your booster.
It's not just death. It's illness, transmitting, or being a vector for a mutation.

But at this point, do what you want. With the vaccines, your protected. So do whatevs.
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BigCatDaddy 10:54 AM 05-10-2021
My wife wants to go to New York in the fall. Any weird restrictions there like needing a vaccination card or restricted travel?
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MahomesMagic 11:38 AM 05-10-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
It's not just death. It's illness, transmitting, or being a vector for a mutation.

But at this point, do what you want. With the vaccines, your protected. So do whatevs.
It's not just me. A lot of people are angry after a year of this nonsense where many have lost their jobs, their businesses, been unable to see loved ones dying from other illness and old age, as well as the loss of their children's educational opportunities.

I can see why some of these public health people (that actually made us poorer, sicker, and fatter as a nation) don't want to exit the stage but their time has expired.
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htismaqe 11:44 AM 05-10-2021
Originally Posted by Monticore:
The vulnerable people now are the unvaccinated.
Not completely true.

Of course this is just one anecdote but it's the first person really close to me that actually had COVID and his story is crazy.

He'd been sick off and on for about a month. He was tested for COVID and was negative. When his symptoms failed to improve, he was tested AGAIN for COVID and it was negative.

Finally, his breathing became a problem and they admitted him to the hospital for observation. He AGAIN tested negative for COVID, so they gave him the vaccine, despite him being sick.

Of course, all 3 tests were wrong - he did have COVID and the shot promptly landed him in ICU in Des Moines after a nice ride on a life flight helicopter.

Again, this isn't to say people shouldn't get vaccinated. It's just to say that you can't make blanket generalizations like this.
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Monticore 11:52 AM 05-10-2021
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Not completely true.

Of course this is just one anecdote but it's the first person really close to me that actually had COVID and his story is crazy.

He'd been sick off and on for about a month. He was tested for COVID and was negative. When his symptoms failed to improve, he was tested AGAIN for COVID and it was negative.

Finally, his breathing became a problem and they admitted him to the hospital for observation. He AGAIN tested negative for COVID, so they gave him the vaccine, despite him being sick.

Of course, all 3 tests were wrong - he did have COVID and the shot promptly landed him in ICU in Des Moines after a nice ride on a life flight helicopter.

Again, this isn't to say people shouldn't get vaccinated. It's just to say that you can't make blanket generalizations like this.
Just by medical definition they are, just like people who drive are higher risk of getting into car accidents even though some pedestrians do still get hit by cars.

Men still get breast cancer etc..
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MahomesMagic 11:55 AM 05-10-2021
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Just by medical definition they are, just like people who drive are higher risk of getting into car accidents even though some pedestrians do still get hit by cars.

Men still get breast cancer etc..
Do you believe a vaccinated 60 year old is safer than a non-vaccinated 10 year old from Covid?
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Monticore 03:11 PM 05-10-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Do you believe a vaccinated 60 year old is safer than a non-vaccinated 10 year old from Covid?
Safer from getting the disease probably , disease severity no but 100k 10year olds vs 100k vaccinated 60 year olds , the gap In The amount severely sick might close , if the vaccinated 60 year olds get infected at a fraction of the rate.if 100 kids get infect for every 60 year old .
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notorious 04:11 PM 05-10-2021
States are beginning to scale down vax orders and some are outright stopping them.

Demand has plummeted.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-dil...114958812.html
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Otter 04:15 PM 05-10-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Do you believe a vaccinated 60 year old is safer than a non-vaccinated 10 year old from Covid?
You're going to have to provide more details on what you mean by "safer".
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O.city 04:41 PM 05-10-2021
https://twitter.com/alecstapp/status...389377029?s=21
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TLO 05:00 PM 05-10-2021
Originally Posted by O.city:
https://twitter.com/alecstapp/status...389377029?s=21
So Sweeden shit the bed?
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HonestChieffan 04:02 AM 05-11-2021
There may be some thought given to Health Insurance differentiation for those who choose to not take the vaccinations. There is no rational reason for the total cost of insurance to go up for the pool to cover the people who choose to run the risk.

I certainly understand some with reluctance but this is getting absurd.
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