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Nzoner's Game Room>***Official 2024 STL Cardinals Thread ***
BigRedChief 01:47 AM 04-21-2024
Dewitt doesn’t care anymore. St.Louis got someone that likes baseball and has a couple of billion to spare?
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Chief Roundup 01:52 PM 04-21-2024
OF Victor Scott II and RHP Andre Pallante have been optioned to AAA
C Pedro Pages and RHP Nick Robertson have been recalled as the corresponding moves


Why are they sending Scott down? Pallante has always sucked.
Who are the two that they are bringing up?
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DJ's left nut 02:17 PM 04-21-2024
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
OF Victor Scott II and RHP Andre Pallante have been optioned to AAA
C Pedro Pages and RHP Nick Robertson have been recalled as the corresponding moves


Why are they sending Scott down? Pallante has always sucked.
Who are the two that they are bringing up?
Because Scott should've never EVER been up.

The question isn't why they're sending him down - it's why they had him on a big league roster to begin with. Sending him up here to die is not developing a young player. It's throwing shit at the wall.

He had to go down. He wasn't going to improve getting obliterated. And frankly, he probably shoudl've been sent to AA. He didn't look like a guy who can excel even in Memphis. The bat just has way too far to go still.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 03:20 PM 04-21-2024
Scott would have put up a historically bad season if he stayed up here. He was on pace to be -8 win player. Calling him up was totally irresponsible.
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Pasta Little Brioni 03:39 PM 04-21-2024
This team has ZERO clue on how to identify OF talent. Let 3 guys walk and end up with the worst OF in MLB
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Marcellus 03:45 PM 04-21-2024
Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni:
This team has ZERO clue on how to identify OF talent. Let 3 guys walk and end up with the worst OF in MLB
You misspelled how to identify any and all talent and effectively use what talent they have.

Hell at this point I'm not even blaming the players, everyone seems to play below their expected norms under this organization now. It's cultural rot that's the issue.
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Pasta Little Brioni 04:12 PM 04-21-2024
This lineup is such garbage. So embarrassing.
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BigRedChief 04:14 PM 04-21-2024

In 2023 the Cardinals were 9-13 after 22 games with a run differential of minus 2. Their offense was averaging 4.72 runs per game.

This season: 9-13 after 22 games with a run differential of minus 19. Their offense is averaging 3.45 runs per game.

— Bernie Miklasz (@miklasz) April 21, 2024

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BigRedChief 09:30 AM 04-22-2024
Back in the day when we had great players on our team


Bob Gibson made nine starts in the postseason, all in the World Series, he completed eight games and went 7-2 with a 1.89 ERA.

In 81 innings, he gave up 55 hits, walked 17 and struck out 92. #STLCards #ForTheLou pic.twitter.com/B2YCQLwc4q

— Augie Nash (@AugieNash) April 21, 2024

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Ocotillo 09:31 AM 04-22-2024
Cardinals' pick in Baseball America's just released mock draft.

7. Cardinals — Nick Kurtz, 1B, Wake Forest

Kurtz was hitting under .300 for the first 25 games of the season. But if you look at his overall production he’s still managed to be one of the very best hitters in the country thanks to exceptional plate awareness and power that has surfaced in a huge way in April.

His 26.1% walk rate is second among D-I hitters and his 14.4% chase rate is the best of any college hitter you’ll see in this mock draft. His 17 homers are tied for ninth in the country which is perhaps not ideal for a top-of-the-draft first baseman but much more impressive when you consider he had just two homers through his first 20 games.

Being a first base-only profile could hold Kurtz back among the top tier players, as could his more lengthy injury history. But his offensive track record and toolset seems as safe as any in this draft class.
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DJ's left nut 09:41 AM 04-22-2024
Not sure it really matters who they draft.

They can't develop talent. They'd manage to fuck up Ken Griffey Jr.
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raybec 4 10:10 AM 04-22-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Not sure it really matters who they draft.

They can't develop talent. They'd manage to **** up Ken Griffey Jr.
It's depressing to know that no matter who they draft that player's career will be wasted.
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DJ's left nut 10:14 AM 04-22-2024
Originally Posted by raybec 4:
It's depressing to know that no matter who they draft that player's career will be wasted.
But at the same time, it's refreshing to know it from the start and just not care.

I used to worry a bit about the development of a guy like Chase Davis. How he's picking up ball/strikes against more polished opponents. How he's transitioning to wood bats. Is there some static in the low minors that suggest the approach is good even when the results aren't?

Now? Pft - who gives a fuck? The guy could develop perfectly. He could have a 1.100 OPS this year in AA. Who cares? We'll call him up, ruin him, trade him for dick and then watch some other team unlock him (This is going to happen to Jordan Walker).

So knowing all that, I don't worry even a little how a guy is doing in the minors. Because even if he's great, it won't benefit this ballclub in any way.
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raybec 4 10:17 AM 04-22-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
But at the same time, it's refreshing to know it from the start and just not care.

I used to worry a bit about the development of a guy like Chase Davis. How he's picking up ball/strikes against more polished opponents. How he's transitioning to wood bats. Is there some static in the low minors that suggest the approach is good even when the results aren't?

Now? Pft - who gives a ****? The guy could develop perfectly. He could have a 1.100 OPS this year in AA. Who cares? We'll call him up, ruin him, trade him for dick and then watch some other team unlock him (This is going to happen to Jordan Walker).

So knowing all that, I don't worry even a little how a guy is doing in the minors. Because even if he's great, it won't benefit this ballclub in any way.

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Marcellus 02:36 PM 04-22-2024
So why do guys have such success in Memphis then stink when they get to the big club?

I get the pitching is a different animal but other teams rookies seem to be able to adjust well enough. Winn seems to have done decent.

Do they fuck with their hitting approach when they come up?
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