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Nzoner's Game Room>What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2
dlphg9 05:43 AM 02-17-2021
Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918


This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

Fucking Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

Fucking MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.
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Bowser 10:36 AM 06-28-2021
King isn't exactly wrong with saying Mecole has been Andy's "gadget" receiver, and there is nothing wrong with that when you've got Tyreek, Kelce and a healthy Watkins out there. And even when Watkins wasn't out there, Robinson played Watkins' role because Mecole was good at what he did in this offense, and there was nothing wrong with that either.

Things may very well change this season for him, and by the sound of Nate Taylor's comments they will. As long as Mecole can run the routes for the X and be 80% the blocker Sammy is, he might be the guy. We'll see.
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RealSNR 11:49 AM 06-28-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
That’s great to hear.

He looks different too. Seems like added a little more muscle.
He's hard, man
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Kiimo 01:17 PM 06-29-2021
This cracked me up:


What Chiefs player needs to have a big 2021?

Mecole Hardmanhttps://t.co/MHODNnlPHF@ArrowheadLive @CBreezy_Edits pic.twitter.com/PIDdtyg9HQ

— Price Carter (@priceacarter) June 28, 2021




Look at who said the quote in the graphic this guy tweeted
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BossChief 10:22 PM 06-29-2021
If he worked hard this offseason, he can be a big time weapon for us.

His weaknesses are things that work can fix.

1) Getting off the line better. Using his quickness and hand speed to get off press. With his speed, if he can simply do this better, he’s goi g to break a lot of big plays because he can get fairly instant separation if he can beat press. His routes get majorly disrupted or just flat out walled off right at the line way too much up to this point.

2) Running a whole route tree. #1 will definitely help this one, but he needs to be able to diversify his routes to get on the field more. This is a big reason he didn’t get on the field and be productive more in this first 2 years. He needs to take the next step of not relying strictly on his speed to make plays. He needs to develop his quick twitch to explode in and out of his breaks more instead of rounding off his routes. A big part of this is his sight adjustments. He needs to be able to read what the defense is doing much faster and adjust his routes the way Pat is looking for him to. Sight adjustments are huge in Andy’s WCO.

3) “Keep running” dude just stops once he’s not initially open. That pissed everyone off as a rookie, and didn’t improve much last year. This offensive line is going to give Pat a lot of time to find the open man and with Pats ability to improvise and keep the play alive, Mecole has a chance to make a ton of explosive plays when Pat has 3-5 seconds to find the open man. He just needs to be better prepared to know where to go to give Pat a target to hit after his initial route is convered.



Honestly, I think most of Mecoles weaknesses are things that can become strengths if he puts in the work both mental and physical.
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DaneMcCloud 10:42 PM 06-29-2021
Originally Posted by Kiimosabi:
This cracked me up:
Look at who said the quote in the graphic this guy tweeted
What a moron. And the tweet makes zero sense.

Mecole Hardman has to step up because he has an elite pedigree?

What in the mother of fuck?
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MahomesMagic 04:58 AM 06-30-2021
Not buying it. I think Powell beats him out.
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TEX 12:00 PM 06-30-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Not buying it. I think Powell beats him out.
Bet not.
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RunKC 12:03 PM 06-30-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Not buying it. I think Powell beats him out.
I think Powell will take Robinson’s job if he does overtake someone
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Bowser 12:32 PM 06-30-2021
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I think Powell will take Robinson’s job if he does overtake someone
Beat me to it
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TEX 03:30 PM 06-30-2021
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I think Powell will take Robinson’s job if he does overtake someone
Yep.
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staylor26 01:07 PM 07-07-2021
Expected to come into camp as the #2 WR according to Nate Taylor.
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MahomesMagic 01:09 PM 07-07-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Expected to come into camp as the #2 WR according to Nate Taylor.
He's the best of the veterans (not named Tyreek).

I'm targeting Powell late in redrafts.
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RunKC 02:00 PM 07-07-2021
His competition is Robinson, Pringle, Callaway and a rookie. He should be the #2
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wazu 02:07 PM 07-07-2021
Originally Posted by RunKC:
His competition is Robinson, Pringle, Callaway and a rookie. He should be the #2
Put me in Camp Pringle.
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Dunerdr 01:32 AM 07-08-2021
Originally Posted by wazu:
Put me in Camp Pringle.
Not a chance. Hes getting traded for N'keal harry.
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