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Nzoner's Game Room>Mahomes decline.....
synthesis2 07:48 AM 10-25-2021
I know I'll get picked to pieces on this but just some thoughts on the past few years..

Year 1 for Mahomes starting: Guy is unreal, plays fancy free without a care in the world. Throws over 5000 yards and on 3rd and short he is dropping back throwing 50 plus yard passes. Sets the NFL on fire and with the WORST defense in modern football history we make it to the AFC championship game and besides Dee Ford we win the superbowl. He plays loose even with a historically bad D we do just fine because for that one year we have perhaps one of the best years EVER by any quarterback that has ever played any year. I get he may not be first but a top 5 all time year.

Year 2 you see him get a bit more conservative and not throwing it around as much as he does year 1 but still looks like 90% of year one. He did cut down on turnovers which was good but still not quite as good overall as year 1. The defense takes a step up and plays decent. Even 90% Mahomes (of year 1) with a decent defense we win the superbowl. early signs that year was he was starting to become too conservative.

Year 3 Now we are seeing him dump the ball off all the time and not taking nearly as many shots as he did year 1 ( seemed to be cut by 60% or more) We have games that year that are way to close for comfort ( falcons game as one example) and we don't cover the spread in most games ( not that it matters but means we are just squeaking things out. One of the only games that season where Mahomes looks anything like year 1 was the Buffalo game in the playoffs and he looked like he was playing fancy free like year 1. Then in the superbowl ( I get our O line vs our D line) but he started dropping his eye quickly and not being the old Patrick we know. Like the pressure was just too much for him. But you could tell that the entire year he was off compared with year 1 and year 2.

Year 4 Look I love what he has done for us as a fan base and I'll never forget it but something is way off with Mahomes. He is starting to look like Alex Smith, he isn't keeping his eyes down the field anymore, he looks jittery, he looks shaken, etc etc. He looks like a AVERAGE QB in football. I know you can make the argument that "look at his yards" or "look at his TD's" but I could also argue "look at his turnovers" but its more of a eye test.
He does not look ANYTHING like the year 1 and year 2 QB, he just looks average. Its like his field vision and decision making has completely gone. I think at best we win 9 games but 8 games is probably realistic.

*excuses* People say he is pressing because our defense is so bad but in year 1 our defense we historically awful as well. Even with a bad defense we should of won the superbowl and it was our best team ( because of how he played) Good or bad defense if Mahomes played like he did year 1 we win virtually every game.

Teams are playing us differently, worst excuse ever, look at the QB's that EVERYONE knows throws bombs so teams play them deep like they do the chiefs..... Guess what? they continue to throw the ball deep and continue to win. Examples the Raiders, they throw deep , everyone knows it and they play it that way but they still throw deep all the time and still make the throws. Tom Brady everyone knows throws deep and he continues to and it works. Its like using that as a excuse makes it ok. Just go back to how you were in his first year, throw it around and have fun. This isn't working.

Bottom line is our team isn't great but we have enough players on offense that we can be historically great again but it all hinges on Mahomes. If he gets back to playing like he did then we are fine but if he continues to play average this team is a .500 team at best. Mahomes is the great deodorant in the NFL. but thinking of madden its like Year 1 he was a 100, year 2 he was a 95, year 3 a 85 and now he is a 75. If we now have a average QB then we are cooked boys.

Something is wrong, its one or all of these but its the money, new child, wife, crazy brother or other things but he isn't remotely the same player he once was. No matter how bad our defense plays if we get fancy free Mahomes then we win if we continue to get this version of mahomes then its over...

We have lots of problems and I get we need better or new coaches, we need better players, we need better schemes but at the end of the day we need a better Mahomes.
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tredadda 09:11 AM 11-08-2021
Originally Posted by ARROW2:
1/2 game out of first......we are in BIG trouble.....:-)
With the way this offense is currently playing do you believe they can hang in a shootout with a LAC, Baltimore, Cleveland, Buffalo, or Tennessee? We would need the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens defense to compete and we definitely don't have that. Hopefully the offense gets it confidence back and that starts with #15. If that happens, watch out.
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tredadda 09:11 AM 11-08-2021
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
ya think?

:-)
I could be wrong.
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tooge 09:34 AM 11-08-2021
For it to go from where it was to where it is takes more than one thing. Is Mahomes struggling some? Yes. But, we've lost Damian Williams, Eric Fisher, Mitchell Schwartz, and Sammy Watkins. All of those guys were very important pieces in the success of the past couple of years. Now, throw in some dropped passes at key points in the game, some dropped pass interceptions, and a fumble in the closing minutes of the Ravens game, and you have what we see now. Thats why it's so damned hard to fix. It's multiple things. Mahomes is just one of them.
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RaidersOftheCellar 09:35 AM 11-08-2021
Originally Posted by synthesis2:
Is this wear we are now? a half game out of first, I wouldn't care if we were in first outright if we play like this we get absolutely steam rolled in the playoffs and have zero chance to win a SB.

The entire goal of football is the win the SB, period, end of sentence. THIS team with Mahomes playing the way he is playing will not win a playoff game and even if they did with crazy things happening they will not win a superbowl unless he goes back to being special.

I know he looks different but what we have right now is Alex Smtih, not a horrible QB but just someone who manages the game etc. Nothing special and you know in the back of your mind there is not way we win.

I just hope the guy gets stuff straight in his mind this year but it will probably be a year or two before he learns to straighten it out.
It was only a month ago that he was near the top of the MVP conversation. And he was awesome just three weeks ago in DC. Calling him broken after a few off games seems excessive.
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jettio 09:41 AM 11-08-2021
If the Chiefs are outscoring opponents in a low scoring game, that really is not a problem.

The only game where Chiefs did nothing while the other team was scoring was the Titans game and Titans showed last night that their defense has some good players and plays with effort and toughness.

I think they get things figured out. I like that Mahomes took some shots. A long incompletion on 1st and 2nd down can affect the decisions the defense makes on play calls later in the game in a way that the offense can benefit from.

Chiefs used to run a lot more routes where the receiver is facing the opponents goal line . Seems like most throws now are to a receiver facing Mahomes when ball is thrown. Mahomes hit the ground running in 2018 making throws to receivers running downhill.

Maybe it is a matter of coverage, but Chiefs should try to get some downhill routes run against the coverages they are facing.

Mahomes throwing a low trajectory pass past the sticks to a receiver facing the other team's goal line leads to a lot of highlight plays.
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TribalElder 09:44 AM 11-08-2021
Mahomes:

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RaidersOftheCellar 09:57 AM 11-08-2021
I think people forget how average Mahomes looked at times during the SB season. He had 2-3 games that weren't so different than yesterday.
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