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Eli Manning Record is 117-117.......... He is a .500 QB that happened to win two Super Bowls.

Wtf are we even entertaining this for? Those two rings have more to do with his defense (esp in fist SB) than him. For christ sakes he threw up a prayer to win the first one.

There is nothing HoF about Eli Manning, if you are saying he deserves to go into HoF because of 4-ish plays in two different SB's you duuuumb.

He threw for a grand total of 500 yards and 3TDs in two SB's.....
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He's got better stats in Super Bowls than Mahomie
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And this ladies and gentlemen is why context matters
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The longevity is indeed a key factor.

The rules are set up now so quarterbacks seldom get hit, and the market is set up so they make massive amounts of money. As a result, quarterbacks have no real incentive to retire. They play forever, never get hurt, and pile up stats in an era that's specifically tailored for them to pile up stats. Over the next decade, we may see a number of mediocre quarterbacks pile up 60,000 career passing yards. Rivers is the first of those, and "The Other Manning" was a season away.

The only thing that can keep a quarterback from compiling lots of stats these days is if he gets beat out by a younger quarterback.
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The point is in those two super bowls he had a couple of throws that made the difference. That doesn't make someone HoF worthy. It makes them clutch in those two specific games.

Eli Manning, was/is a better Fitz Magic....... But seriously, he never carried his team. (his throw in SB2 was great tho) but a couple of moments out of a entire career don't make you a HoFer in my eyes.

15 years in the league, he threw for more than 30 TD's 3 times....
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Dan Marino was in Ace Ventura. That's why he gets in.
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Eli and Rivers are considered HOF caliber when they enshrined Troy freaking Aikman. Just look at their basic stats:

Aikman: 165 games played between 1989-2000, 94-71, 2898 for 4715 61.5%, 32,942 yrds 165! TD, 141 Ints Per game: 199.6 yrd, 1.0 td, .09 int
Manning: 236 games played between 04-19, 117-117, 4895 for 8119 60.3%, 57,023 yrds 366 TD, 244 Ints per game: 241.6 yrd, 1.6 td, 1.0 int
Rivers: 244 games played between 04-20, 134-106, 5277 for 8134 64.9%, 63,440 yrds 421 TD, 209 Ints per game: 260.0 yrd, 1.7 td, 0.9 int

I know these basic stats don't tell you everything about a QB, but from my eyes, Rivers was more talented than either but Manning could pull some god damn magic out of his ass and Aikman was the most average quarterback that had all-time great talent all around him. Steve DeBerg could've won a super bowl with those Cowboy teams.

Manning shouldn't get in and neither should Philip Rivers.

The HOF should conduct audits every decade
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Yeah, it's tough to grade QBs that played 15+ years apart.. the style of play and the rules, not to mention the skill/size of the players changes so much across the decades.

The current era of FA started in 1993 and has changed the way teams are built, those mid 90s teams and back to the 80s and 70s... could stockpile talent. That doesn't happen anymore.

Aikman played 12 seasons and was the QB for one of the most stacked and talented teams ever. Troy only won 8 or more games in 5 of those 12 seasons. And, he only threw for more than 18 TDs twice and they had crazy talent... plus Smith. Granted, many QBs in the 70s - early 90s were not piling up massive TDs, few if any Cowboys' fans can point to more than 2 games where they say "Man, Troy won that for us, he is phenomenal."

You can do all sorts of things with the stats... but, because he was 'good' and on that team with 3 rings, you knew he was getting in to the HOF.
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I think the NFL HOF voters really needs to do a better job of adjusting the criteria when they vote because you can't really go by who got in 20 years ago and compare to those players of today.

I mean, I remember guys like Fouts, Bradshaw and Tarkenton because I was in grade school... but I never really saw the guys before them play. Many view NFL greatness only through the lens they've been able to view the games.

Hell, you probably have a lot of people that look at someone like Elway and wonder why was he considered great? I know many of you hate him and some may legitimately think he sucked, but you have to look at players in their era and find a way to judge them amongst their peers - past and future.

When Elway retired, it was really only guys like Fran and Marino that he was battling with for the top spots in most of the important categories. Elway retires after the '98 season and has the most wins 148 for an NFL QB of all time - now he's 6th. Elway was 3rd in passing TDs (behind Marino and Fran) and was only the 3rd QB to throw for 300... now he's 12th on that list with 11 guys over 300 TDs thrown - 4 have over 500 and guys like Rivers have more than 400.

Think of how many guys are going to be over 300 TDs (let's not even talk about yards or other things) in 10 seasons?

It's a wild debate for many players, but overall ... it shouldn't be that hard to really look at the body of work and that player's rank amongst his 'playing era peers' to determine his viability for the HOF.
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The football writers are going to put Julian fucking Edelman in the hall, so I don’t really give a shit anymore. It’s nice when your team’s players get in, but only because it’s more of a, “Yeah, thanks for giving this player what they deserve, I guess…”
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