Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
I got the two moderna shots and a booster. Mild side effects that went away quickly. Had Covid for the first time in 2022. It was bad, but not that bad.
I don't know if I'll get another booster, but I'll keep my mask on. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
It's a truly astounding level of effort that they both put into arguing a point that they knew the other one would never be convinced about.
Clearly some people like to argue. And I presume they were arguing for the wider audience more than expecting to suddenly convince each other.
But this thread does make me sad.
A lot of things are really hard to tease out data. Like what does a change in a given tax bracket do, if anything, to economic growth?
What will the climate be like in twenty years?
But billions of people have had various types of vaccines or none at all. And billions of people have gotten covid.
If as a society we are incapable of crunching that relatively straightforward and massive amount (we ain't talking small sample size) of data, in order to answer simple questions about efficacy and side effects...
Hard to see how society can have any sort of informed discussion about topic that is deeper than say a cultural war.
I didn't want to get in the first place but since I work in government contracting, I was basically forced to get it or lose my job. I politely acquiesced and got the shot anyway because I wanted to be a good corporate citizen.
The shot itself was unlike anything I ever had. They used a huge, almost IV-like, needle and my arm bled for several hours. I've had thousands of shots, IV's, and blood draws and have never bled like that, especially not from my damn shoulder.
On top of that, about 4 weeks after the shot, I started getting radiating pain starting in my shoulder where I got the shot and extending down into my elbow. I've had it ever since and even though I cannot say it was the shot that caused, it certainly looks plausible.
I got 3 COVID shots and never had anything different than a flu shot. You think maybe you got an AIDS vaccine maybe? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
Clearly some people like to argue. And I presume they were arguing for the wider audience more than expecting to suddenly convince each other.
But this thread does make me sad.
A lot of things are really hard to tease out data. Like what does a change in a given tax bracket do, if anything, to economic growth?
What will the climate be like in twenty years?
But billions of people have had various types of vaccines or none at all. And billions of people have gotten covid.
If as a society we are incapable of crunching that relatively straightforward and massive amount (we ain't talking small sample size) of data, in order to answer simple questions about efficacy and side effects...
Hard to see how society can have any sort of informed discussion about topic that is deeper than say a cultural war.
Seems grim.
It's a mess.
The very organizations that are appointed to provide the public with info have been politically weaponized. Anyone who has done time at a university helping carry out studies knows how heavily influenced they are by funding. It's hard to argue that we have a single news organization providing unbiased reporting. Mix in a 24 hour news cycle, some share holders, the desire for profits at every step along the way, and what do we have? Zero trust at ground zero.
The "conspiracy theorists" have been right way too often as of late. [Reply]
I don't know if I will ever know the truth about Covid.
I wish people would conduct studies about the people hospitalized now. How many are vaxxed? How many are single boosted? How many are double boosted?
Most importantly, for how many is this their second infection? This could lead to findings as to if prior infection does give immunity.
During the capitol riots, when the lawmakers were sheltering in a confined area, some Democrats asked some Republicans to wear masks. The Republicans refused, and the Democrats got Covid. This lends credence to the idea that masks don't protect the wearer, but they do stop the spread. [Reply]
The very organizations that are appointed to provide the public with info have been politically weaponized. Anyone who has done time at a university helping carry out studies knows how heavily influenced they are by funding. It's hard to argue that we have a single news organization providing unbiased reporting. Mix in a 24 hour news cycle, some share holders, the desire for profits at every step along the way, and what do we have? Zero trust at ground zero.
The "conspiracy theorists" have been right way too often as of late.
Which conspiracy theorists? What have they been right about? I'm genuinely asking [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sure-Oz:
This is how I feel. My parents have gotten it once and twice for mom and are high risk and have made it through just fine with mild symptoms after getting it and being vaccinated and both were behind one booster at the time.
Of course you can find anecdotal evidence. I have a family member who is not vaxxed that has COVID 3 times and never had severe symptoms.
Like I said before, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hank Hill:
Which conspiracy theorists? What have they been right about? I'm genuinely asking
This is what they are claiming to be right about
1) Covid came from a lab
2) Masks do not work
3) The vaccines are not safe and effective
4) The lockdowns were ineffective and made people suffer [Reply]
Originally Posted by dolphinsneu:
What I don't understand is why they didn't clearly define form the start of the pandemic
1) With Covid
2) From Covid
If somebody is the hospital and is clearly there because they are suffering from Covid, they would fall under category 2
IF somebody is suffering from something else and goes to hospital and tests positive, they would go under category 1.
Only category 2 should count towards Covid numbers.
If only it was that black an white. If you have lung cancer but ultimately die of pneumonia as a result of it you don't just count the death towards pneumonia. [Reply]
I got the first two Pfizer really early on and that’s it. I don’t regret getting them but don’t really think they made a difference for someone like me. And never really did think they were necessary for myself. Unfortunately having them is a requirement in many instances so it’s good to have it. For example, my wife saw Adele at Caesar’s while we were in Las Vegas, and it said at time of ticket purchase they required proof of vaccination. That said, no one ever actually checked. Also there are some other places to travel that require them, but not boosters which is good. I do wonder how long those types of requirements will persist as at this point we’ve all been exposed numerous times so those types of things seem incredibly pointless by now.
But there is zero chance I get a booster and no way my little kids the vaccine. They’ve already had it at least once if not multiple times and for them it’s as normal as any cold we all grew up with, which is something I’m quite sure I wrote about in here years ago. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan:
If only it was that black an white. If you have lung cancer but ultimately die of pneumonia as a result of it you don't just count the death towards pneumonia.
Then maybe we need a third category called likely exacerbated by covid [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I got the first two Pfizer really early on and that’s it. I don’t regret getting them but don’t really think they made a difference for someone like me. And never really did think they were necessary for myself. Unfortunately having them is a requirement in many instances so it’s good to have it. For example, my wife saw Adele at Caesar’s while we were in Las Vegas, and it said at time of ticket purchase they required proof of vaccination. That said, no one ever actually checked. Also there are some other places to travel that require them, but not boosters which is good. I do wonder how long those types of requirements will persist as at this point we’ve all been exposed numerous times so those types of things seem incredibly pointless by now.
But there is zero chance I get a booster and no way my little kids the vaccine. They’ve already had it at least once if not multiple times and for them it’s as normal as any cold we all grew up with, which is something I’m quite sure I wrote about in here years ago.
I want studies done on Covid patients now that compare the severity of their infections to whether it’s their first time getting it or not. Some children have gotten it severely. I am happy to hear that was not the case in your family [Reply]
