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Nzoner's Game Room>Time to panic about Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs? Separating fact from fiction
Red Dawg 05:30 AM 10-26-2021
Originally Posted by BlackOp:
I've wondered about these guys getting $20 million a year guaranteed...on a team that has been to back-to-back SBs.

What mountain is left to climb...you have a ring and a paycheck whether you perform or not.

Why would you continue to risk your long-term health anymore...how long does pride in your craft last?
Apparently not long for these fucks. To many fucking pro athletes are bitches. They should play hard every snap because that is what they are being paid big money to do. The Chiefs gave Jones, Clark, HB, Hitchens and ER their money. Money other teams were not going to give them. Mahomes got them a ring and this is what the Chiefs get now? Half ass pussy effort and for what? Because now they don't feel like it? Not motivated anymore? Fuck them! Spoiled mother fuckers! They got paid right? THEN DO YOUR FUCKING JOB!
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BlackOp 03:20 AM 10-26-2021
I think KC is entering their post Legion of Doom Seahawks model era...A fifty million QB and no wiggle room for draft mistakes...

Seattle had 1-2 stellar drafts that carried them for awhile....once Wilson got paid, they were good but not great. A threat to beat you on any given day...

They havent sniffed a SB since he got his cash....
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Chris Meck 04:38 AM 10-26-2021
Guys, it's damned hard to climb the mountain and get to the top.

It's even harder to just stay perched there; and nobody does it for too long without having a down season.

It's okay.

I'm really only a little bummed, to be honest. It was bound to happen. Would've been cool to get one more year on top. But maybe it's better this way; there won't be any temptation to like...extend Clark or something dumb like that.

The core pieces are still in place. This year's draft looks like it was an excellent one and even has a nice piece on the defense to build with. Last year's was pretty good too and still think Sneed and Gay are going to be good players moving forward.

Some of these guys got complacent. It's human nature, really.

Let's trim the fat this offseason, ditch these massive contracts to the underperformers and rebuild the defense. Personally, I really like the CB room and think the problems there are related to the total lack of pressure. Give any NFL QB all day and yeah, they're going to pick you apart. I've heard it said that Thornhill is 'just a jag' and I don't think that's accurate. I think he's a true FS and another part to work with.

It's time for a new DC. Get rid of Clark and Reed. Pick up a couple of mid priced, dependable DE's. Let HB walk, with that money you can pay a decent safety AND a dependable coverbacker.

We're not going anywhere with the loafing multi-millionaires on the defensive line this year.

It's alright. Take our lumps, clean house, and come back pissed off next year.
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TEX 05:45 AM 10-26-2021
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
Guys, it's damned hard to climb the mountain and get to the top.

It's even harder to just stay perched there; and nobody does it for too long without having a down season.

It's okay.

I'm really only a little bummed, to be honest. It was bound to happen. Would've been cool to get one more year on top. But maybe it's better this way; there won't be any temptation to like...extend Clark or something dumb like that.

The core pieces are still in place. This year's draft looks like it was an excellent one and even has a nice piece on the defense to build with. Last year's was pretty good too and still think Sneed and Gay are going to be good players moving forward.

Some of these guys got complacent. It's human nature, really.

Let's trim the fat this offseason, ditch these massive contracts to the underperformers and rebuild the defense. Personally, I really like the CB room and think the problems there are related to the total lack of pressure. Give any NFL QB all day and yeah, they're going to pick you apart. I've heard it said that Thornhill is 'just a jag' and I don't think that's accurate. I think he's a true FS and another part to work with.

It's time for a new DC. Get rid of Clark and Reed. Pick up a couple of mid priced, dependable DE's. Let HB walk, with that money you can pay a decent safety AND a dependable coverbacker.

We're not going anywhere with the loafing multi-millionaires on the defensive line this year.

It's alright. Take our lumps, clean house, and come back pissed off next year.
I'm with you as rationalization sets in...Correct on all accounts. Deal is it needs to go down EXACTLY like you laid it out, because if it doesn't, then you have "masterminds" still around capable of doing stupid stuff with the same lack of checks and balances in play. Spags MUST be part of the defensive purge.

On offense, Orlando Brown is NOT the answer at LT in this offense. Must find a legit LT. CEH is NOT the answer at RB. Not saying he can't be serviceable in some capacity, but what he brings is limited and might be better served as a complimentary piece, rather than a main one. KC needs a RB who can contribute in the passing game and is a threat to take it to the house. Doesn't have to be Jamaal Charles or Kareem Hunt good, but someone as good as Damien Williams will do. Need a #2 WR, who may be already on the team in Gordon. Need to find out this season. The Offense is much easier to fix than the defense, but the defense only needs to be respectable, so that should be easy to accomplish sooner rather than later.

Problem is all the issues listed were concerns going into this season and most all the answers, on both sides of the ball, were wrong. That can't happen again.
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Dunerdr 08:02 AM 10-26-2021
Originally Posted by TEX:
I'm with you as rationalization sets in...Correct on all accounts. Deal is it needs to go down EXACTLY like you laid it out, because if it doesn't, then you have "masterminds" still around capable of doing stupid stuff with the same lack of checks and balances in play. Spags MUST be part of the defensive purge.

On offense, Orlando Brown is NOT the answer at LT in this offense. Must find a legit LT. CEH is NOT the answer at RB. Not saying he can't be serviceable in some capacity, but what he brings is limited and might be better served as a complimentary piece, rather than a main one. KC needs a RB who can contribute in the passing game and is a threat to take it to the house. Doesn't have to be Jamaal Charles or Kareem Hunt good, but someone as good as Damien Williams will do. Need a #2 WR, who may be already on the team in Gordon. Need to find out this season. The Offense is much easier to fix than the defense, but the defense only needs to be respectable, so that should be easy to accomplish sooner rather than later.

Problem is all the issues listed were concerns going into this season and most all the answers, on both sides of the ball, were wrong. That can't happen again.
I kind of wonder in terms of complacency and talent if "Run it back" hurt us more than we realize. Instead of upgrading that offseason we brought back the same team, who won the superbowl, but was clearly not that talented in many positions.
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Coochie liquor 09:05 AM 10-26-2021
Originally Posted by Dunerdr:
I kind of wonder in terms of complacency and talent if "Run it back" hurt us more than we realize. Instead of upgrading that offseason we brought back the same team, who won the superbowl, but was clearly not that talented in many positions.
No way. I think we win that game if the OL wasn’t in shambles, and Britt didn’t almost kill 2 kids.
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Dunerdr 09:25 AM 10-26-2021
Originally Posted by Coochie liquor:
No way. I think we win that game if the OL wasn’t in shambles, and Britt didn’t almost kill 2 kids.
I dont mean the superbowl i mean the effect on this year.
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crayzkirk 09:01 AM 10-26-2021
Watching PFT Live today; Chris Simms makes some strong and concerning points about how Mahomes is bailing out of the pocket, dropping really deep and looking at the pass rush instead of downfield. Not sure if it's the toe injury or him wanting to recapture that magic he had however, it's not working right now and as much as I don't want to agree... He's actually human after all...
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Coochie liquor 09:09 AM 10-26-2021
Originally Posted by crayzkirk:
Watching PFT Live today; Chris Simms makes some strong and concerning points about how Mahomes is bailing out of the pocket, dropping really deep and looking at the pass rush instead of downfield. Not sure if it's the toe injury or him wanting to recapture that magic he had however, it's not working right now and as much as I don't want to agree... He's actually human after all...
Maybe it’s because he has about 1 second before someone is coming for him. He’s taken a lot of hits, and rarely gets the benefit of RTP, that Brady, Rodgers etc get.
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crayzkirk 09:21 AM 10-26-2021
Originally Posted by Coochie liquor:
Maybe it’s because he has about 1 second before someone is coming for him. He’s taken a lot of hits, and rarely gets the benefit of RTP, that Brady, Rodgers etc get.
I agree... he got sandwiched in the Saints game, took a monster hit in that one. Was running for his life in the SB and has been running ever since. I'm not wanting to assign blame, just noticing that people who watch film and video a lot more than me are seeing things.

I also know that if there's one things reporters like to do more than build someone up, it's tear them down.
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Coochie liquor 09:29 AM 10-26-2021
Originally Posted by crayzkirk:
I agree... he got sandwiched in the Saints game, took a monster hit in that one. Was running for his life in the SB and has been running ever since. I'm not wanting to assign blame, just noticing that people who watch film and video a lot more than me are seeing things.

I also know that if there's one things reporters like to do more than build someone up, it's tear them down.
No doubt. Plus got knocked out of the Browns playoff game. Guys taken a beating, and I hate it. I’d love to see him with a constant good pocket like Brady has most of the time. Bad OL play will be the downfall of our bad ass quarterback.
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TEX 09:27 AM 10-26-2021
Originally Posted by Coochie liquor:
Maybe it’s because he has about 1 second before someone is coming for him. He’s taken a lot of hits, and rarely gets the benefit of RTP, that Brady, Rodgers etc get.
Exactly. Fix the Offensive Tackles, and the magic returns.
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Dunerdr 09:32 AM 10-26-2021
Originally Posted by TEX:
Exactly. Fix the Offensive Tackles, and the magic returns.
The problem is how to do it. Draft? Are we drafting top 10? We need two d ends, a corner (seems to be a decent corner class) and probably a wideout.
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PAChiefsGuy 09:17 AM 10-26-2021
Originally Posted by crayzkirk:
Watching PFT Live today; Chris Simms makes some strong and concerning points about how Mahomes is bailing out of the pocket, dropping really deep and looking at the pass rush instead of downfield. Not sure if it's the toe injury or him wanting to recapture that magic he had however, it's not working right now and as much as I don't want to agree... He's actually human after all...
Yeah I think defenses have gotten a lot better at defending him. He's got to adjust.
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The Franchise 09:33 AM 10-26-2021
Making a lot of sense here.

This is great commentary from @danorlovsky7. Bang on.

The film doesn't lie. Mahomes needs to take the easy throws being given to them, and the coaching staff has to make adjustments around him https://t.co/uBmpKCv3St

— Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) October 26, 2021

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