Originally Posted by Shaid:
I don't think anyone saw Reek being as good as he is as a receiver either. Let's see what some time with Pat can do. A good QB can make a receiver's career.
Yep. Just ask Jerry Rice who had Montana,Young and Garcia. No wonder he is in the HOF:-) [Reply]
The 2 big questions for me is does Hardman have "hands" and can he take NFL hits on a regular basis ?:-) We know he can run:-) But now since it looks like Reek will only get a minimal suspension this will take the pressure off Hardman to produce NOW at a vet level. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
A lot of Conley's numbers were excellent but the one that stood out was the one that doomed him - dude's 3-cone time was abysmal.
And you saw it in his route running from day 1 here. He simply couldn't get in and out of his breaks well enough to be a difference maker.
Hardman appears to have better feet though I don't think he ran the 3-cone. That alone will make his ceiling in this offense significantly higher than Conley's.
I still think he was a reach, but Andy's the best in the business at scheming guys into space and if you can give this kid a little running room before he gets the ball, it's a big play waiting to happen.
I at first wanted Parris Campbell. People mentioned Hardman and I read that he had "weak" hands and was like NEXT.
Then I watched some film on him. The thing that absolutely leaps off the page, to use a totally wrong metaphor, is that in his breaks he has that rare ability that it looks like he actually gains speed. He doesn't slow at all making cuts. That's something DK Metcalf and Parris can't do.
I think that's why Reid and Veach like him. He has that DeSean Jackson breakaway speed after one cut, you see him leave guys in the dust trying to keep up with those cuts.
And then as far as his hands being weak he hasn't played wide receiver that long. I imagine he has done about a thousand pass catching drills since that was written two years ago. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
That's true, but I was meaning in terms of ability.
James is awesome but I guess he just didn't have the flashy numbers to be the ROY?
He was the 6th safety off the board in this draft. 6th.
C'mon now - don't let the breathless panting fool you. He's not winning the ROY because he won't even be the best rookie safety in football this year. He's fine. He'll probably be an improvement on what we had but there's no guarantees that he'll beat out Watts or even Lucas for a starting spot.
This isn't Eric Berry, man. He's a guy who was passed over by every team in football at least once and most of them passed on him twice (including the Chiefs). He might be solid, he might even be pretty good.
Originally Posted by Kiimosabi:
Counterpoint: he's the best safety or at worst second best safety in the draft at the precise position the Chiefs want him in.
And that's fine - he may well get the Chiefs ROY award and should probably be considered the frontrunner.
I liked the pick; he's a nice fit for what we need. That doesn't mean he's gonna be in contention for any national awards. Like I said - his skill set is very similar to Lucas and Watts, especially in that role. He's gonna have to show a very mature approach to even win a starting job, let alone become nationally prominent. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
He was the 6th safety off the board in this draft. 6th.
C'mon now - don't let the breathless panting fool you. He's not winning the ROY because he won't even be the best rookie safety in football this year. He's fine. He'll probably be an improvement on what we had but there's no guarantees that he'll beat out Watts or even Lucas for a starting spot.
This isn't Eric Berry, man. He's a guy who was passed over by every team in football at least once and most of them passed on him twice (including the Chiefs). He might be solid, he might even be pretty good.
He's not winning any league awards.
I totally agree that he’s likely not winning any league awards or anything, but I don’t care if he was the 6th safety taken, he could easily be the best in this class. He has great ball skills and I wouldn’t be shocked if he leads the rookie class in INT’s. I don’t think he’s winning DROY either, but I think you’re selling him a little short. For crying out loud one of those guys taken ahead of him was Marquise Blair, who had no business going before him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
He was the 6th safety off the board in this draft. 6th.
C'mon now - don't let the breathless panting fool you. He's not winning the ROY because he won't even be the best rookie safety in football this year. He's fine. He'll probably be an improvement on what we had but there's no guarantees that he'll beat out Watts or even Lucas for a starting spot.
This isn't Eric Berry, man. He's a guy who was passed over by every team in football at least once and most of them passed on him twice (including the Chiefs). He might be solid, he might even be pretty good.
He's not winning any league awards.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
And that's fine - he may well get the Chiefs ROY award and should probably be considered the frontrunner.
I liked the pick; he's a nice fit for what we need. That doesn't mean he's gonna be in contention for any national awards. Like I said - his skill set is very similar to Lucas and Watts, especially in that role. He's gonna have to show a very mature approach to even win a starting job, let alone become nationally prominent.
Just playing the spot i'm guessing they'll ask him to, he may be in a spot to pick off some balls. Seeing as that seems to be his strongsuit I could see where he has a good stat year.
I doubt it's enough to get any award, but I also don't know that there's much difference in the first safety taken this draft and the 6th. Atleast based on my extensive pre draft research, which is pretty well established as possibly the best around. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
And that's fine - he may well get the Chiefs ROY award and should probably be considered the frontrunner.
I liked the pick; he's a nice fit for what we need. That doesn't mean he's gonna be in contention for any national awards. Like I said - his skill set is very similar to Lucas and Watts, especially in that role. He's gonna have to show a very mature approach to even win a starting job, let alone become nationally prominent.
Yeah safeties don't win rookie of the year, I agree with you. If Derwin didn't, nobody is. I just have this feeling about Thornhill. He looks crazy athletic and seeing him in the #22 jersey sparked this kind of feeling that I'm almost remembering the future. That doesn't make any sense but it's like...some players you just know they're going to kick ass. [Reply]
