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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>We shouldn't sleep on John Ross.
Direckshun 10:50 AM 05-25-2023
I keep coming back to something, because I see in all these threads we are making assumptions about the approaching WR depth chart.

Toney
MVS
Moore
Rice

The above four are locks. I think we can agree that Justin Watson is not a lock but is close to one, as the Chiefs love the depth he offers and his special teams work as well.

The Chiefs will carry 6 WRs on the roster, maybe 7, and the talents left are:And John Ross.

To remind all of you, Justin Ross is 27 years old, was drafted 9th overall by the Bengals in 2017. Prior to that, he set the Combine record for the 40 yard dash, running a 4.22, including an elite 1.49 10-yard split (only two receivers beat that split at the Combine this year, and -- oddly enough -- Rashee Rice actually tied that).

Ross went on to be a colossal bust, recording exactly one touch his rookie season, which he fumbled. He has battled injuries and a decent Bengals depth chart to record 62 receptions for 957 yards in his career so far, recording a completion on merely 43% of his targets. He's also recorded three fumbles, which means 5% of his touches, he's fumbling. He was a Giant for the 2021 season, and spent the 2022 season out of football until the Chiefs signed him in January.

This is a pretty grisly career, but I think he's got a chance to be a sleeper for the Chiefs roster, but only if the Chiefs choose to roster 7 WRs -- which they rarely do, especially when they have four TEs already that they really like.

Ross may be worth the 7th slot, however.Now, I don't think John Ross can replicate even what Mecole Hardman did.

But ask yourself: can he replicate what De'Anthony Thomas did? I think the answer to that is yes.

I think he's a wild gamble, and as such I wouldn't take him over Richie James for the #6 spot. But hey, if the Chiefs elect to roster a 7th WR, he's got an advantage over the other WRs in that there is a clear need that, in theory, he alone can fill at this time.
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T-post Tom 10:51 PM 05-25-2023
Interesting that he didn’t join Mahomes & the other new receivers in Texas. Does not seem like a good sign overall. Hope I’m wrong.
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Coogs 08:05 AM 05-26-2023
In Andy's presser from a couple of days ago, one of the questions was about John Ross. Andy went first to Justyn Ross after saying he really likes what he sees from both of the Ross's. Biggest takeaway from that piece for me was that Andy said Mahomes has trust in Justyn Ross.
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Detoxing 09:42 AM 05-26-2023
Mahomes took a subtle dig at Hardman when complimenting Rice. Or maybe im reading too much into it and he was referencing other guys, but....

To paraphrase, he something to the tune of, "He knows where to be and get open, unlike guys we've had in the past who were really fast and could fly all over the field but didn't know where to be etc".

Again, not his exact words, but pretty close and really felt like he was talking about Hardman.
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Mecca 09:49 AM 05-26-2023
Originally Posted by Bowser:
It's wild to think how John Ross was drafted one spot BEFORE Mahomes.

I think he's going to get IR'd at the end of preseason and we'll see what plans they have for him in '24 with MVS' status sort of unknown.
He's 27 and already spent a year basically out of the league so it's not like he needs protection from teams clamoring for him.
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Bowser 11:31 AM 05-26-2023
Originally Posted by Mecca:
He's 27 and already spent a year basically out of the league so it's not like he needs protection from teams clamoring for him.
Fair. I guess if he lights it up in preseason or some such, they could do that.

I feel pretty safe saying either way he won't be on the opening day roster. I'm way out on a limb there, I know. Lol.
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Couch-Potato 05:10 PM 05-26-2023
I'd be stoked if both the Ross's, Moree, and Rice all ball out in the pre-season!

I'd like to see Ealy get some touches too!
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JPH83 09:13 AM 05-27-2023
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
I'd be stoked if both the Ross's, Moree, and Rice all ball out in the pre-season!

I'd like to see Ealy get some touches too!
I really liked Ealy during rhe draft period a day thought we got a steal. Would love him to step up, I think he's a great alt to Pacehco and looked like he could transition to a decent receiver
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RealSNR 09:47 PM 05-27-2023
I agree. If anybody sleeps on John Ross, their weight will crush his bones to dust
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royr17 07:44 PM 05-28-2023
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
McCluster and Thomas weren't fast, they were just small. They were small and slow.
Slow ? Seriously ? I don't know how 4.44 which is what dexter ran at his pro day and 4.39 which DAT ran at his pro day is considered slow.

Dexter had a three cone drill of 6.73 and DAT's was 6.94.

How is that considered slow ?
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Dunerdr 08:04 PM 05-28-2023
Originally Posted by royr17:
Slow ? Seriously ? I don't know how 4.44 which is what dexter ran at his pro day and 4.39 which DAT ran at his pro day is considered slow.

Dexter had a three cone drill of 6.73 and DAT's was 6.94.

How is that considered slow ?
Damn. I wasnt draftubating back then. Id always assumed dexter was like a 4.5 guy watching him play.
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dlphg9 12:52 AM 05-29-2023
Originally Posted by royr17:
Slow ? Seriously ? I don't know how 4.44 which is what dexter ran at his pro day and 4.39 which DAT ran at his pro day is considered slow.

Dexter had a three cone drill of 6.73 and DAT's was 6.94.

How is that considered slow ?
Sure they may have been fast in just shorts, but they didn't look like 4.4 guys in pads. They both looked slow as shit and were tiny little bitches.
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RealSNR 10:38 AM 05-29-2023
Originally Posted by royr17:
Slow ? Seriously ? I don't know how 4.44 which is what dexter ran at his pro day and 4.39 which DAT ran at his pro day is considered slow.

Dexter had a three cone drill of 6.73 and DAT's was 6.94.

How is that considered slow ?
That's not slow, but if you have no sense of balance or even just a tiny amount of power, you better damn well make up for it in speed and breakaway. And McCluster just never had enough.

Dexter never had the extra gear we needed from him. It's why he was a lot more effective when Andy came around because he used him as a short/midrange guy who could use his quick change of direction bullshit off the line, get some yards, maybe make a guy miss if there was a mismatch, and call it a day. That's still not much, but it's at least a use that he had compared to the ineffective garbage we ran with him out of the backfield under Haley. In those instances I'd say he was a downright hindrance because he took those backfield touches away from Charles, who would/could actually do something with them.
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DJ's left nut 04:23 PM 05-31-2023
We can definitely sleep on John Ross.

Dude's gonna be the same nothing he's always been once they put pads on him. Then he's gonna get hurt. Again.
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Rain Man 11:33 PM 05-31-2023
Originally Posted by royr17:
Slow ? Seriously ? I don't know how 4.44 which is what dexter ran at his pro day and 4.39 which DAT ran at his pro day is considered slow.

Dexter had a three cone drill of 6.73 and DAT's was 6.94.

How is that considered slow ?
According to the NFL, Dexter ran a 4.58 at the combine in the 40 at 172 pounds and De'Anthony was a 4.5 at 174 pounds. With those speeds, you need to be about 75 pounds heavier.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dexter...5-779de52fb7cb

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/de&#39;ant...7-1e2e24294c99
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BWillie 11:41 PM 05-31-2023
I will definitely sleep on John Ross
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