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petegz28 09:26 AM 03-29-2021
Fauci and the CDC are out scaring the masses this morning

CDC director speaks of impending doom, warns of increase in U.S. COVID-19 cases
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pm...covid-19-cases
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MahomesMagic 10:57 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
Never counted deaths what way before? You do understand that very few COVID-19 deaths list COVID as the immediate cause of deaths, right?
If we counted this way for flu we could get more than 250,000+ people dead from flu a year.
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Donger 10:59 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
If we counted this way for flu we could get more than 250,000+ people dead from flu a year.
Counted what way?
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Baby Lee 11:02 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
Yes, you've made it clear since then that you don't give a shit about 600,000 dead Americans.
Originally Posted by Donger:
Never counted deaths what way before? You do understand that very few COVID-19 deaths list COVID as the immediate cause of deaths, right?
Seems consistent. . . .
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SuperBowl4 11:02 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
If we counted this way for flu we could get more than 250,000+ people dead from flu a year.
The C0vids has killed the FLU according to the CDC :-)
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Donger 11:04 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
Seems consistent. . . .
Another person who doesn't understand death certificates. Neat.
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Donger 11:05 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by SuperBowl4:
The C0vids has killed the FLU according to the CDC :-)
Well, at least you didn't link some wacko website for once.
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MahomesMagic 11:06 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
Another person who doesn't understand death certificates. Neat.
You don't understand death certificate matching. It has been brought to your attention multiple times.

We don't do that for flu but we do it for Covid.
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Donger 11:10 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
You don't understand death certificate matching. It has been brought to your attention multiple times.

We don't do that for flu but we do it for Covid.
I don't know what death certificate matching is.

So, when you see this death certificate, is it a COVID death?


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SuperBowl4 11:13 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
You don't understand death certificate matching. It has been brought to your attention multiple times.

We don't do that for flu but we do it for Covid.
The Dong will never understand how a c0vid death is determined even after watching this ->http://youtu.be/XfTKKWp6WXg :-) The Majority of People are dying WITH the C0vids Not from the C0vids
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ScareCrowe 11:17 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
I don't know what death certificate matching is.

So, when you see this death certificate, is it a COVID death?

Yes considering nothing is listed before COVID, so I would have to assume this would be a previously healthy person who got COVID then pneumonia, then developed respiratory distress.

How about if you added Alzheimer's for 10 years & cancer for 3 years below COVID. Still a COVID death?
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Fish 11:17 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
In perhaps the most significant panic-fueled move, the CDC changed how mortality statistics are gathered, and COVID-19-labeled deaths became ubiquitous. Previous to the change, COVID-19 needed to be an underlying condition in a chain of events that directly led to the immediate cause of death for the death to be considered a COVID-19 death. Under the new guidelines, instead of having to be an underlying cause of death, if COVID-19 was merely a contributing factor, the death would be labeled a COVID-19 death. Thus, an Alzheimer’s patient on death’s door who was pushed that last step through the doorway by COVID-19 would now be a full-blown COVID-19-labeled death. Never mind that flu was never treated this way, and such a change made COVID-19-labeled deaths incomparable to any other mode of death; these deaths were now COVID-19 deaths. This change in record-keeping became the fuel to power long-term panic, and as we became more efficient at finding COVID-19, we also became more willing to put COVID-19 on a death certificate, regardless of its level of contribution to the death.

But how did the CDC get to 205,101 COVID-19-labeled deaths from what would have been at most 114,400 deaths if they had documented COVID-19 in the same way as flu?

The first major cause of over-attribution of COVID-19 is in the context of nursing home, residential, and hospice deaths. To understand this factor, we must keep in mind that COVID-19 does not kill quickly like a heart attack or stroke. The median time from symptom onset to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) is 8–12 days, and the median time to ICU admission is 9.5-12 days.

Considering this time frame, what does it mean when a person dies from COVID-19 in a nursing home, in hospice, or at home? On the surface, it would seem that people who die in such locations are doing so after choosing not to go to a hospital for life-saving treatment. This choice may be conscious or the result of a Do Not Resuscitate order. In other words, these are very frail people who are recognized as being near the end of life and thus have standing instructions to not take extraordinary measures to prolong that life.

This view was bolstered by a study in Sweden that reviewed the medical records of a group of patients who had died with COVID-19 outside of hospitals and found that in 85% of those deaths, COVID-19 was not the direct cause of death and that severe fragility was present in 97% of the deceased. If a patient catches COVID-19 and it is decided that the patient is of such fragility that it is better to forego hospitalization then to fight COVID-19, it can be reasonably concluded that COVID-19 was not the cause of death. To believe otherwise is to believe that people are out there catching COVID-19 and deciding not to fight it even though if they did beat COVID-19, they would have a significant amount of quality life remaining. This seems doubtful.

CDC data currently indicates 30.8% of COVID-19-labeled deaths occur at a nursing home or long term care facility, a hospice facility, or the decedent’s home. Removing 97% of these deaths from the CDC total under the assumption that these patients were severely frail and had pre-existing comorbidities that rendered COVID-19 treatment undesirable reduces the number of CDC COVID-19-labeled deaths from 205,101 to about 143,800. This approach is bolstered by other data showing high percentages of pre-existing underlying health conditions in COVID-19 decedents, such as from New York City (99%), Italy (98%), and England (95%).


https://rationalground.com/covid-is-...on-with-covid/
This is nothing more than a rehash of the heavily debunked argument of deaths “with” COVID-19 and not “from” COVID-19. Why post this if it's been proven false countless times?
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Donger 11:19 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by SuperBowl4:
The Dong will never understand how a c0vid death is determined even after watching this ->http://youtu.be/XfTKKWp6WXg :-) The Majority of People are dying WITH the C0vids Not from the C0vids
Already addressed that.
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MahomesMagic 11:21 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
I don't know what death certificate matching is.

So, when you see this death certificate, is it a COVID death?

At least that one has a respiratory element to it, so yes.

Would you count a death certificate as "Covid" with no respiratory illness?
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Donger 11:22 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by ScareCrowe:
Yes considering nothing is listed before COVID, so I would have to assume this would be a previously healthy person who got COVID then pneumonia, then developed respiratory distress.

How about if you added Alzheimer's for 10 years & cancer for 3 years below COVID. Still a COVID death?
I haven't seen such a death certificate, but I doubt they exist in any significant numbers.
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Donger 11:23 AM 04-02-2021
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
At least that one has a respiratory element to it, so yes.

Would you count a death certificate as "Covid" with no respiratory illness?
Sure, but that's a sloppy death certificate.
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