Originally Posted by The Franchise:
So you’re fine with Eichenberg. The guy who’s head coach just said that he’s probably a RT if you’re looking for athleticism in your LT.
I mean, he's not wrong. If you're looking for a lot of athleticism because of the things you do with your LT because you do some things out in space, then he's absolutely not that guy. He's certainly not as athletic as I prefer but he has clean footwork, good technique, and good strength and locked down the edge against really good pass rushers. It certainly makes you think he can continue to do so in the pros.
What is most troubling is seeing his arm length come in from his pro day just now and that's a far tougher pill to swallow than worrying about his athleticism that we all already knew was subpar compared to most of the left tackles in this class. We're not talking about moving to RT length, that's a move to guard length. It will be interesting to see how teams process that and if they feel they can keep him out on the edge. He'd give up length to most pass rushers at the NFL level and that is never a good thing.
My view, now, is that any thoughts of Eichenberg playing tackle at the NFL level are done. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I mean, he's not wrong. If you're looking for a lot of athleticism because of the things you do with your LT because you do some things out in space, then he's absolutely not that guy. He's certainly not as athletic as I prefer but he has clean footwork, good technique, and good strength and locked down the edge against really good pass rushers. It certainly makes you think he can continue to do so in the pros.
What is most troubling is seeing his arm length come in from his pro day just now and that's a far tougher pill to swallow than worrying about his athleticism that we all already knew was subpar compared to most of the left tackles in this class. We're not talking about moving to RT length, that's a move to guard length. It will be interesting to see how teams process that and if they feel they can keep him out on the edge. He'd give up length to most pass rushers at the NFL level and that is never a good thing.
My view, now, is that any thoughts of Eichenberg playing tackle at the NFL level are done.
He was always a guard to me. What was the arm length? [Reply]
Speaking of Eichenberg, he looked pretty athletic today even tho the numbers are probably skewed. 20-yard shuttle and 3-cone numbers today were better than Andrew Thomas, Jedrick Wills and Tristan Wirfs from last year's combine.
Official results from @NDFootball pro-day Part II:
OL Liam Eichenberg HT 6061 WT 306 Hand 9 5/8 Arm 32 3/8 Wing 79 3/8 40-yd no run VJ 26.5 BJ 8-9 SS 4.58 3C 7.53 BP 33x
OL Robert Hainsy 6044 306 9 7/8 32 1/8 77 7/8 5.24/5.20 27.5 8-8 4.63 7.58 32x
A #Chiefs scout/coach is running the OL drills at the Florida pro day. A name to get familiar with is Stone Forsythe - towering OT prospect who played left tackle for the Gators last season. Really good pass protector with rare movement skills for his size.
A #Chiefs scout/coach is running the OL drills at the Florida pro day. A name to get familiar with is Stone Forsythe - towering OT prospect who played left tackle for the Gators last season. Really good pass protector with rare movement skills for his size.
His arms are OVER 34 apparently. The question is is he a legit LT after playing that spot for just one year? And can the chiefs take that risk knowing if Okung or whoever goes down he may need to play? That's the gamble Veach and co are taking with the guy we draft.
Right now Leatherwood looks a very enticing prospect too tbh. Pro day results are decent and he's played LT for years. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
His arms are OVER 34 apparently. The question is is he a legit LT after playing that spot for just one year? And can the chiefs take that risk knowing if Okung or whoever goes down he may need to play? That's the gamble Veach and co are taking with the guy we draft.
Right now Leatherwood looks a very enticing prospect too tbh. Pro day results are decent and he's played LT for years.
Leatherwood doesn't operate well in space. Most scouts think he'll end up a guard in the NFL.
He's not the kind of LT Andy Reid usually looks for. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Leatherwood doesn't operate well in space. Most scouts think he'll end up a guard in the NFL.
He's not the kind of LT Andy Reid usually looks for.
Folks also said Niang would play guard before he opted out last season but now that ain't happening. Bottom line is some tackles come in with percieved "weaknesses" which don't transpire when they get into the flow of the nfl. Schwartz's pro day was a mess...as was Orlando Brown's so I'm not ruling Leatherwood out because of the notion of a few scouts. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
Folks also said Niang would play guard before he opted out last season but now that ain't happening. Bottom line is some tackles come in with percieved "weaknesses" which don't transpire when they get into the flow of the nfl. Schwartz's pro day was a mess...as was Orlando Brown's so I'm not ruling Leatherwood out because of the notion of a few scouts.
that wasn't about weaknesses with Niang, it was about getting your best 5 on the field, and a healthy Fisher and Schwartz weren't going to be beaten out by a rookie. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
Folks also said Niang would play guard before he opted out last season but now that ain't happening. Bottom line is some tackles come in with percieved "weaknesses" which don't transpire when they get into the flow of the nfl. Schwartz's pro day was a mess...as was Orlando Brown's so I'm not ruling Leatherwood out because of the notion of a few scouts.
Scouts didn't say Niang would play guard, Veach did. And he said "to start out" primarily because at the time, we had Fish and Mitch. Niang is a prototype tackle, both in terms of measurables as well as technique.
Leatherwood is not. And it isn't about his pro day, it's about his film. He's got lower body issues, poor center, and doesn't move well. He's going to get abused on the edge by NFL speed rushers. He's not an NFL left tackle, especially not in an Andy Reid offense. [Reply]
The funny part is that a "right tackle" is fine as LT next year as long as it's RunKC drafting him and it's his plan.
But when that "right tackle" is Lukas Niang, it's a disaster in waiting.
Seems to me that having a right tackle play left tackle is just a bad idea, period. Why anybody would actually advocate for something like that, I have no idea. [Reply]
And signing Okung/Villanueva is probably going to better for the beginning part of 2021 if they draft someone outside of Sewell and Darrisaw. Everyone outside of those two have issues. [Reply]