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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>Justin Houston
RunKC 04:50 PM 12-27-2018
Am I the only one who thinks this is likely his last season here?

He’s the biggest financial responsibility on this team and he’s not the same. I get that he’s still pretty good, but his knee is not the same as it used to be. It seems like that will not get better in future years. Here’s my reasoning:

1. He still has to be motivated.
In the Ravens game, Houston himself said Justin Hamilton had to motivate him to make a play. That is a pretty telling sign to me.

2. He has quit on plays.
Just last week he quit on a play where he could have tried to make a tackle on the RB who scored.

3. Being a great run stuffer and decent pass rusher isn’t worth the price tag.

4. We drafted Breeland Speaks.
Veach specifically looked for Breeland Speaks and trade up for him, who coincidentally relates to some things Houston does (albeit not as good). He’s a strong player who can hold up against the run and drop in coverage. It seems like Veach calculated this pick to replace Houston after getting Speaks a year in the NFL and a training program.

It seems like this is the time that good organizations sell these players for assets. He’s turning 30 next month.

I’m thinking they could try to get him to restructure, but why not use him to get a 2nd rd pick or trade up in the first rd for a good young player?
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ThaVirus 12:34 AM 12-31-2018
Originally Posted by Superturtle:
Parker, Scandrick, Nelson and Bailey are UFAs anyway, right? I'm all for showing Ragland and Sorenson the door, though.
Probably. I know Bailey's in a contract year and Parker and Scandrick were last minute trash heap signings.

That's like $12m coming off the books there alone. Could free up another $6-ish mil by canning Sorenson and Ragland too.
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Demonpenz 01:14 PM 12-31-2018
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Houston is a proven player. We know we're not going to get 15+ sacks out of the guy anymore, but he's A+ in run support and is actually surprisingly good when dropped into coverage. I'm just not sure we can afford to ship out one of, like, three solid contributors we have on this defense.

Would you prefer to bring in more Hitchens types? That dude's cap hit is like $9m and he's absolute garbage. I'd pay for three Houston's before I'd pay for two Hitchenses.
excuse me, but we refer to hitchens as "the hitman" here
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philfree 01:30 PM 12-31-2018
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Houston is a proven player. We know we're not going to get 15+ sacks out of the guy anymore, but he's A+ in run support and is actually surprisingly good when dropped into coverage. I'm just not sure we can afford to ship out one of, like, three solid contributors we have on this defense.

Would you prefer to bring in more Hitchens types? That dude's cap hit is like $9m and he's absolute garbage. I'd pay for three Houston's before I'd pay for two Hitchenses.
9 sacks in 12 games. Off the top of my head that extrapolates to at least 12 sacks in 16 games. If Houston comes out of the season clean he can start next season as healthy as he's been since the spinning heel kick to the kneecap. He'll have a chance to get 15 sacks in 2019. He's made some huge plays since he's come back from his hammy issue this year. It would be great if he'd restructure but I would keep him either way.
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pugsnotdrugs19 03:51 PM 12-31-2018
I think Houston would take a pay cut.

1) He gets to play on a contender with Mahomes.

2) He gets to play with Jones and Ford.

3) He get to stay a Chief.

4) He’s not getting $21M on the open market per year. So you may as well shave a little off the top.
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Chargem 04:57 PM 12-31-2018
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
I think Houston would take a pay cut.

1) He gets to play on a contender with Mahomes.

2) He gets to play with Jones and Ford.

3) He get to stay a Chief.

4) Hes not getting $21M on the open market per year. So you may as well shave a little off the top.
Does he get to play with Ford? And Jones is only currently under contract for 1 more year.
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RunKC 05:46 PM 12-31-2018
If Houston balls out in the coming weeks, change part of his 2019 salary to a bonus. That would give him a nice gift up front and save us money on the cap.
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pugsnotdrugs19 08:14 PM 01-01-2019
Houston and Ford both finish 2018 in the top 5 among edge rushers for PFFs pass rush productivity rate stat. (Percentage of pass rush attempts that end in a sack, QB hit, or hurry).

Let’s hope they bring it for January.
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RunKC 10:41 PM 01-12-2019
Originally Posted by RunKC:
If Houston balls out in the coming weeks, change part of his 2019 salary to a bonus. That would give him a nice gift up front and save us money on the cap.
Dude balled the fuck out. Keep this guy and try to make
It work with Jones and Ford.
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O.city 11:47 PM 01-12-2019
Yeah he was a beast
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Chargem 09:22 AM 01-13-2019
The success of Ford, Houston and Jones as a pass rushing trio makes me want to stay with a 3-4 defense and try to sign Ford this off season.
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Couch-Potato 10:24 AM 01-14-2019
Houston has a cap hit of ~$21m, I read that if we cut him we can save ~$14m against the cap. My question is if we were to trade him would we save the full ~$21m? Also, what do you believe he'd be worth in a trade?
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kccrow 04:30 PM 01-14-2019
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
Houston has a cap hit of ~$21m, I read that if we cut him we can save ~$14m against the cap. My question is if we were to trade him would we save the full ~$21m? Also, what do you believe he'd be worth in a trade?
Trade or cut is the same result. Both accelerate prorated bonuses to the current year.
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The Pest 04:33 PM 01-14-2019
Maybe offer him a restructure to lower his number and let him play with Mahomes for a while.
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Chargem 01:50 AM 01-15-2019
I think someone suggested an extension which guarantees him a couple more years as a Chief but brings the per year average down in the next couple of years. If he would take that I'd be okay with it.
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Bump 02:21 AM 01-15-2019
he's definitely not a $100 million man. He's not JJ Watt or Aaron Donald. He'll make some plays still, but that's not worth what he's getting paid. We drafted his position (basically) in the 2nd round in the last 2 drafts and unfortunately I'm not that confident in either one to replace him.
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