Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by O.city:
Where they lost some people was when they said "don't go protest your business being closed down, you're making it worse" then turned around and said "go protest this it's worth the risk".
Right or wrong, you're gonna lose alot of people's confidence when you say that.
Yep. And that's when a lot of people threw their hand in the air and said fuck this. If people can go burn shit down I can go eat at a restaurant. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Yep. And that's when a lot of people threw their hand in the air and said **** this. If people can go burn shit down I can go eat at a restaurant.
When I see people using poor judgment my first instinct is usually not doing the exact same thing, it tends to make a bad situation worse. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Where they lost some people was when they said "don't go protest your business being closed down, you're making it worse" then turned around and said "go protest this it's worth the risk".
Right or wrong, you're gonna lose alot of people's confidence when you say that.
Why does this post not have a zillion thumbs up? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
When I see people using poor judgment my first instinct is usually not doing the exact same thing, it tends to make a bad situation worse.
Originally Posted by O.city:
Where they lost some people was when they said "don't go protest your business being closed down, you're making it worse" then turned around and said "go protest this it's worth the risk".
Right or wrong, you're gonna lose alot of people's confidence when you say that.
Originally Posted by Monticore:
When I see people using poor judgment my first instinct is usually not doing the exact same thing, it tends to make a bad situation worse.
Originally Posted by Monticore:
The riots would have been worse/bigger potentially causing even more violence or virus spread.
But we've been told it's their job as (insert medical position) to inform the public of such issues. It's not their job to set policy or what not. So if thats the case, the biological virus doesn't give a shit about anything other than a host. It's supposed to be your job to be apolitical and give us the facts. The facts would likely say "this isn't safe".
Messaging in a pandemic is huge and the public health apparatus has absolutely dropped the ball on that. Now, some of that isn't their fault and is the fault of others in power, for sure. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
But we've been told it's their job as (insert medical position) to inform the public of such issues. It's not their job to set policy or what not. So if thats the case, the biological virus doesn't give a shit about anything other than a host. It's supposed to be your job to be apolitical and give us the facts. The facts would likely say "this isn't safe".
Messaging in a pandemic is huge and the public health apparatus has absolutely dropped the ball on that. Now, some of that isn't their fault and is the fault of others in power, for sure.
They should have definitely done it differently and tried to discourage it in a general way but singling them out would have been a recipe for disaster, but it seems so far in terms of the virus more damage has been done by people upset there wasn't more finger pointing at the protests than the protests themselves. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
They should have definitely done it differently and tried to discourage it in a general way but singling them out would have been a recipe for disaster, but it seems so far in terms of the virus more damage has been done by people upset there wasn't more finger pointing at the protests than the protests themselves.
HOpefully so.
But again, the problem in the end and the bigger problem is the optics of it. When you do it that way, you lose your messaging, which when you need it again (now) people are gonna go "nah, not again".
It's been hard as shit on everyone. Rescheduled weddings, not going to or getting to have funerals, kids out of school, people losing businesses etc.
Then you have some having big funerals, pushing mass gatherings for social justice reasons and what not, then turn around and tell others not to do it?
Are we seriously not seeing this? Is it just me? [Reply]
But again, the problem in the end and the bigger problem is the optics of it. When you do it that way, you lose your messaging, which when you need it again (now) people are gonna go "nah, not again".
It's been hard as shit on everyone. Rescheduled weddings, not going to or getting to have funerals, kids out of school, people losing businesses etc.
Then you have some having big funerals, pushing mass gatherings for social justice reasons and what not, then turn around and tell others not to do it?
Here's an issue we're starting to see in our area. Where schools are going remote, the parents are having to send kids to daycares, other options so they are able to work.
Those places aren't as equipped as say a large school building to have that many children.
But again, the problem in the end and the bigger problem is the optics of it. When you do it that way, you lose your messaging, which when you need it again (now) people are gonna go "nah, not again".
It's been hard as shit on everyone. Rescheduled weddings, not going to or getting to have funerals, kids out of school, people losing businesses etc.
Then you have some having big funerals, pushing mass gatherings for social justice reasons and what not, then turn around and tell others not to do it?
Are we seriously not seeing this? Is it just me?
They were going to end up pissing off someone no matter what they did, pissing off rioters even more vs weddings , it might not have been the right decision but there might not have been any decisions that would have been right.
Trying to do it in a way you wouldn't lose your job or have the wrath directed towards themselves would be kind of tricky, having any sort of mass gathering during peak pandemic I think isn't very smart but I don't think they would listen to me. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Where they lost some people was when they said "don't go protest your business being closed down, you're making it worse" then turned around and said "go protest this it's worth the risk".
Right or wrong, you're gonna lose alot of people's confidence when you say that.