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Rausch 07:15 AM 03-24-2019
This isn't a debate thread.

This is just for those wanting to talk about Q.
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NewChief 10:48 AM 01-16-2021
Super long read on QAnon, but pretty interesting analysis. I'll just post a bit of it, can follow link to read the whole thing:

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I am a game designer with experience in a very small niche. I create and research games designed to be played in reality. I’ve worked in Alternate Reality Games (ARGs), LARPs, experience fiction, interactive theater, and “serious games”. Stories and games that can start on a computer, and finish in the real world. Fictions designed to feel as real as possible. Games that teach you. Puzzles that come to life all around the players. Games where the deeper you dig, the more you find. Games with rabbit holes that invite you into wonderland and entice you through the looking glass.

When I saw QAnon, I knew exactly what it was and what it was doing. I had seen it before. I had almost built it before. It was gaming’s evil twin. A game that plays people. (cue ominous music)
QAnon has often been compared to ARGs and LARPs and rightly so. It uses many of the same gaming mechanisms and rewards. It has a game-like feel to it that is evident to anyone who has ever played an ARG, online role-play (RP) or LARP before. The similarities are so striking that it has often been referred to as a LARP or ARG. However this beast is very very different from a game.

It is the differences that shed the light on how QAnon works and many of them are hard to see if you’re not involved in game development. QAnon is like the reflection of a game in a mirror, it looks just like one, but it is inverted.

Guided Apophenia
In one of the very first experience fictions (XF) I ever designed, the players had to explore a creepy basement looking for clues. The object they were looking for was barely hidden and the clue was easy. It was Scooby Doo easy. I definitely expected no trouble in this part of the game.
But there was trouble. I didn’t know it then, but its name was APOPHENIA.


Apophenia is : “the tendency to perceive a connection or meaningful pattern between unrelated or random things (such as objects or ideas)”
As the participants started searching for the hidden object, on the dirt floor, were little random scraps of wood.
How could that be a problem!?

It was a problem because three of the pieces made the shape of a perfect arrow pointing right at a blank wall. It was uncanny. It had to be a clue. The investigators stopped and stared at the wall and were determined to figure out what the clue meant and they were not going one step further until they did. The whole game was derailed. Then, it got worse. Since there obviously was no clue there, the group decided the clue they were looking for was IN the wall. The collection of ordinary tools they found conveniently laying around seemed to enforce their conclusion that this was the correct direction. The arrow was pointing to the clue and the tools were how they would get to it. How obvious could it be?

I stared in horror because it all fit so well. It was better and more obvious than the clue I had hidden. I could see it. It was all random chance but I could see the connections that had been made were all completely logical. I had a crude backup plan and I used it quickly before these well-meaning players started tearing apart the basement wall with crowbars looking for clues that did not exist.

These were normal people and their assumptions were normal and logical and completely wrong.
In most ARG-like games apophenia is the plague of designers and players, sometimes leading participants to wander further and further away from the plot and causing designers to scramble to get them back or (better yet) incorporate their ideas. In role-playing games, ARGs, video games, and really anything where the players have agency, apophenia is going to be an issue.

This happens because in real games there are actual solutions to actual puzzles and a real plot created by the designers. It’s easy to get off track because there is a track. A great game runner (often called a puppet-master) can use one or two of these speculations to create an even better game, but only as much as the plot can be adjusted for in real time or planned out before-hand. It can create amazing moments in a game, but it’s not easy. For instance, I wish I could have instantly entombed something into that wall in the basement because it would have worked so well, but I was out of luck!
If you are a designer, and have puzzles, and have a plot, then apophenia is a wild card you always have to be concerned about.
QAnon is a mirror reflection of this dynamic. Here apophenia is the point of everything. There are no scripted plots. There are no puzzles to solve created by game designers. There are no solutions.

QAnon grows on the wild misinterpretation of random data, presented in a suggestive fashion in a milieu designed to help the users come to the intended misunderstanding. Maybe “guided apophenia” is a better phrase. Guided because the puppet masters are directly involved in hinting about the desired conclusions. They have pre-seeded the conclusions. They are constantly getting the player lost by pointing out unrelated random events and creating a meaning for them that fits the propaganda message Q is delivering.
There is no reality here. No actual solution in the real world. Instead, this is a breadcrumb trail AWAY from reality. Away from actual solutions and towards a dangerous psychological rush. It works very well because when you “figure it out yourself” you own it. You experience the thrill of discovery, the excitement of the rabbit hole, the acceptance of a community that loves and respects you. Because you were convinced to “connect the dots yourself” you can see the absolute logic of it. This is the conclusion you arrived at. More about this later.

Everyone on the board agrees with you because it’s highly likely they were the ones that pointed it out to you just for that purpose. (more on this later)
“Hey, what’s that?!”
“It looks like an arrow, pointing at the wall.”
“Why do you think it’s there? Do people just leave arrows pointing to things randomly? What does your common sense say about that?”
“It says there must be something there.”
“Yes. You are right. Maybe you should look at it more closely?”


Every cloud has a shape that can look like something else. Everything that flickers is also a jumble of Morse code. The more information that is out there, the easier it is to allow apophenia to guide us into anything. This is about looking up at the sky and someone pointing out constellations.

The difference is that these manufactured connections lead to the desired conclusions Q’s handlers have created. When players arrive at the “correct” answers they are showered with adoration, respect, and social credit. Like a teenage RP, the “correct” answer is the one that the group respects the most and makes the story the most enjoyable. The idea that bolsters the theory. The correct answer is the one that provides the poster with the most credit.

It’s like a Darwinian fiction lab, where the best stories and the most engaging and satisfying misinterpretations rise to the top and are then elaborated upon for the next version.

Even Q-Anon was only one of several “anons” including FBIanon and CIAanon, etc, etc. Q rose to the top, so it got its own YouTube channels. That tested, so it moved to Reddit. The theories that didn’t work, disappeared while others got up-voted. It’s ingenious. It’s AI with a group-think engine. The group, led by the puppet masters, decide what is the most entertaining and gripping explanation, and that is amplified. It’s a Slenderman board gone amok.

Let’s go back to the arrow on the ground again.
It was not an arrow on the ground, pointing to a clue in a wall. It was just some random bits of wood. They did not discover an arrow. They created it. They saw random pieces of wood and applied their intelligence to it, and this is everything.
It’s easy for people to forget that they are not discovering the story, but creating it from random data.

Propaganda and Manipulation
Another major difference between QAnon and an actual game, is that Q is almost pure propaganda. That IS the sole purpose of this. It’s not advertising a product, it’s not for fun, and it’s not an art project. There is no doubt about the political nature of the propaganda either. From ancient tropes about Jews and Democrats eating babies (blood-libel re-booted) to anti-science hysteria, this is all the solid reliable stuff of authoritarianism. This is the internet’s re-purposing of hatred’s oldest hits. The messaging is spot on. The “drops” implanted in an aspic of anti-Semitic, misogynist, and grotesque posts on posting boards that, indeed, have been implicated in many of the things the fake conspiracy is supposed to be guilty of!
Q is also operating in conjunction with many other initiatives as documented by other sources and other developers. The coordination is consistent.
A game helps the people who play build an internal world that best serves them. Q helps players develop an internal world that best serves Q’s initiatives.
Let’s look at how that works.
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FD 11:57 AM 01-16-2021
Originally Posted by Taco John:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@3...m1!3e0!5m1!1e1
I would love it if you would explain to us what you think the significance of this is and what you predict will happen in the week ahead.
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Donger 12:00 PM 01-16-2021
Originally Posted by FD:
I would love it if you would explain to us what you think the significance of this is and what you predict will happen in the week ahead.
Trump will be inaugurated on January 20.
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Prison Bitch 01:04 PM 01-16-2021
This reminds me of what Arthur Finkelstein (d. 2017) taught about politics. Arthur was a longtime GOP campaign strategist who understood how voters made decisions.


Among other things he claimed the ORDER of what a politician claimed was critical. If you told them an obvious truth then two lies, they’d believe the lies too. If you told them an obvious lie then two truths, they wouldn’t beleiebe any of it.


Q would tell obvious truths: Epstein was a sicko, MSM censors Republicans, etc. once Q established this rapport with its flock, it was time to peddle the lies.
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True North 02:56 PM 01-16-2021
Originally Posted by Rausch:
It kept the people paying attention occupied while radical socialism took over big business and social media.
Correct!

I would like Taco to give his take on this.


https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=62008

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Prison Bitch 05:30 PM 01-16-2021
Originally Posted by True North:
Correct!

I would like Taco to give his take on this.


https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=62008
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There’s a reason they call him TacoWrong. As for your link: yeah, Qanon was essentially a Mossad op, just like I always said.


Your link notes GOP glommed onto Q in 2018. That’s because Trumps 2018 Omnibus Spending Bill was fatal for his core base and proved he was not going to change a goddamn thing. (Enter Q, to help keep his voters on the GOP reservation)
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Taco John 07:31 PM 01-16-2021
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch:
There’s a reason they call him TacoWrong.
The reason is because they're idiots who are dumbdrunk on fluoride and can't see things that are literally in front of their faces.
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Taco John 07:32 PM 01-16-2021
PANIC

Hope I’m wrong but a few indicators pointing toward significant declassification for political purposes in next three days. We shouldn’t underestimate the damage Trump can do to national security in remaining time left. He should have been removed from office or forced to resign.

— Carrie Cordero (@carriecordero) January 17, 2021

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Taco John 07:34 PM 01-16-2021
Originally Posted by Donger:
Trump will be inaugurated on January 20.

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Archie Bunker 08:27 PM 01-16-2021

MyPillow guy wants everyone to know that if his family members haven’t already been identified yet they were at the insurrection pic.twitter.com/JqYt73ODua

— MeidasTouch.com (@MeidasTouch) January 17, 2021

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RodeoPants2 08:28 PM 01-16-2021
What’s going to be the hypothesis when, as all the sane people know, President Elect Biden is inaugurated on 1/20?
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|Zach| 10:13 PM 01-16-2021
Originally Posted by RodeoPants2:
What’s going to be the hypothesis when, as all the sane people know, President Elect Biden is inaugurated on 1/20?
Exactly. Why wait...lets skip ahead to Biden becoming President no reason to wait around.

Just go ahead and start in on the weird justifications are bullshit lines about how this was part of the plan all along.

THE STORM IS STILL COMING
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penchief 10:35 PM 01-16-2021
Originally Posted by Taco John:
The reason is because they're idiots who are dumbdrunk on fluoride and can't see things that are literally in front of their faces.
The reason is because you are an idiot who is never right and always wrong.

Some may call you Taco Wrong, but you know you're a fraud.
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Taco John 12:10 AM 01-17-2021
Originally Posted by penchief:
The reason is because you are an idiot who is never right and always wrong.

Some may call you Taco Wrong, but you know you're a fraud.

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RodeoPants2 12:14 AM 01-17-2021
Originally Posted by Taco John:

What are you planning to say when Joe Biden is inaugurated?
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