Warren Sapp, who played for the Raiders for the final four seasons of his Hall of Fame career, was asked in an interview with Vlad TV this week if he believes Kaepernick will play in the NFL again. He responded with an emphatic “no” and said he was told Kaepernick’s workout with the Raiders was a “disaster.”
“I heard it was a disaster. I heard it was one of the worst workouts ever,” Sapp said. “I’m wondering how the hell this happened and the tape didn’t get out. Somebody wasn’t (recording a video) over the fence or something? Come on, man. We live in a world now where you put a drone up and nobody’s gonna stop you.”
Kaepernick is 34 and has not played in the NFL since 2016. Even when he did play, his strength was his mobility and athleticism. He was never a great passer, which is why many are skeptical that he could take that much time off and expect to be effective.
There were supposedly two things that impressed the Raiders during Kaepernick’s workout. They were not blown away enough to offer him an invitation to camp, however. Maybe Sapp knows something most of us don’t.
Originally Posted by cdcox:
The following players are listed by Pro Football Reference as having a similar "quality and shape of career" after 6 years:
Let's remove from comparison players from different eras: Charlie Johnson, Brian Sipe, John Hadl, Terry Bradshaw, Don Meredith, Doug Williams, and Tommy Kramer. If anyone thinks all of these players should be considered as comparisons to Kaepernick, let me know.
That leaves:
Marcus Mariotta, similar after 6, has played for 7 and is under contract for year 8 in 2022.
Carson Wentz, similar after 6, while he is not a star, no one thinks he should not be under contract for his 7th year.
Blake Bortles, similar after 6, but was under contract for 8.He could still be under contract for his 9th year in 2022.
Now let's expand to QBs with similar "quality and shape" for their entire careers. To Mariota, Wentz and Bortles we will now add Jay Fiedler (9 year career), Scott Mitchell (11 year career), Jameis Winston (7+ year career), David Carr(11 year career), Stan Humphries (9 year career), Elvis Grbac (8 year career), and Kyle Orton (10 year career).
It's absolutely clear that Kaepernick's performance was strong enough during his first 6 years to warrant being under contract during his 7th year. His case for being excluded from playing in the NFL in years since as a direct result of his decision to speak up against racial injustice is undisputable. It's your privilege to believe differently.
He was under contract for a 7th Season, but he opted out to become a free agent. SF was the best fit going for him and he walked away. Horrible decision.
Originally Posted by Hoover:
He was under contract for a 7th Season, but he opted out to become a free agent. SF was the best fit going for him and he walked away. Horrible decision.
In hindsight, it wasn't a great decision. But, it's not as clear cut as you present. Here's a quote from the article you posted:
"Looking ahead, if the Buffalo Bills ultimately decide to exercise the option in Tyrod Taylor's contract, Kaepernick could emerge as the most coveted quarterback available this offseason. He may not be a legitimate long-term answer, but he could be a solid short-term solution.
"The New York Jets, Houston Texans, Denver Broncos, Chicago Bears and Los Angeles Rams are just a handful of teams that could look to upgrade at the position before the 2017 season. "
It's tough to argue that any other player evaluated as a top talent at the most important position wouldn't get an offer. Even with his "regression" he was still in the middle of NFL QBs in 2016 in terms of performance. [Reply]
Bears drafted Mitchell Trubisky
Houston drafted Watson
Jets went with Josh McCown
Broncos went with Trevor Siemian
Rams had Goff
Bills had Tyrod Taylor
So lets be honest here, he should have never opted out. But I agree, that it's nuts that the Jets, Bills, or Broncos didn't go with a guy like Kaeepernick. Still if he is your starting QB you you have to adapt your offense to his skill set which I understand why that would not be popular. [Reply]
Originally Posted by cdcox:
The following players are listed by Pro Football Reference as having a similar "quality and shape of career" after 6 years:
Let's remove from comparison players from different eras: Charlie Johnson, Brian Sipe, John Hadl, Terry Bradshaw, Don Meredith, Doug Williams, and Tommy Kramer. If anyone thinks all of these players should be considered as comparisons to Kaepernick, let me know.
That leaves:
Marcus Mariotta, similar after 6, has played for 7 and is under contract for year 8 in 2022.
Carson Wentz, similar after 6, while he is not a star, no one thinks he should not be under contract for his 7th year.
Blake Bortles, similar after 6, but was under contract for 8.He could still be under contract for his 9th year in 2022.
Now let's expand to QBs with similar "quality and shape" for their entire careers. To Mariota, Wentz and Bortles we will now add Jay Fiedler (9 year career), Scott Mitchell (11 year career), Jameis Winston (7+ year career), David Carr(11 year career), Stan Humphries (9 year career), Elvis Grbac (8 year career), and Kyle Orton (10 year career).
It's absolutely clear that Kaepernick's performance was strong enough during his first 6 years to warrant being under contract during his 7th year. His case for being excluded from playing in the NFL in years since as a direct result of his decision to speak up against racial injustice is undisputable. It's your privilege to believe differently.
Your trying to compare apples to orang er I mean dog turds [Reply]
Originally Posted by cdcox:
The following players are listed by Pro Football Reference as having a similar "quality and shape of career" after 6 years:
Let's remove from comparison players from different eras: Charlie Johnson, Brian Sipe, John Hadl, Terry Bradshaw, Don Meredith, Doug Williams, and Tommy Kramer. If anyone thinks all of these players should be considered as comparisons to Kaepernick, let me know.
That leaves:
Marcus Mariotta, similar after 6, has played for 7 and is under contract for year 8 in 2022.
Carson Wentz, similar after 6, while he is not a star, no one thinks he should not be under contract for his 7th year.
Blake Bortles, similar after 6, but was under contract for 8.He could still be under contract for his 9th year in 2022.
Now let's expand to QBs with similar "quality and shape" for their entire careers. To Mariota, Wentz and Bortles we will now add Jay Fiedler (9 year career), Scott Mitchell (11 year career), Jameis Winston (7+ year career), David Carr(11 year career), Stan Humphries (9 year career), Elvis Grbac (8 year career), and Kyle Orton (10 year career).
It's absolutely clear that Kaepernick's performance was strong enough during his first 6 years to warrant being under contract during his 7th year. His case for being excluded from playing in the NFL in years since as a direct result of his decision to speak up against racial injustice is undisputable. It's your privilege to believe differently.
Kaep refused two contract offers to be a backup. That's a fact that people with your opinion either don't know, or don't care to include in their narratives.
Kaep's reasoning? He was a starter, not a backup and wouldn't take the snub of the backup contract offer.
Also, Kaep VOIDED his contract with the 49ers thinking he would be able to get a better deal as a starter elsewhere.
Do you know the key on all the comparable QBs you listed who had longer careers? Once they clearly established that they weren't starting material, they all had several years as backups. Something your boy Kaep refused to do. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider:
Also, Kaep VOIDED his contract with the 49ers thinking he would be able to get a better deal as a starter elsewhere.
How'd that work out for him? About as good as his recent workouts.
If Krappydick was a true starter and sitting there for the taking, there would have been teams to grab him.
Originally Posted by cdcox:
The following players are listed by Pro Football Reference as having a similar "quality and shape of career" after 6 years:
Let's remove from comparison players from different eras: Charlie Johnson, Brian Sipe, John Hadl, Terry Bradshaw, Don Meredith, Doug Williams, and Tommy Kramer. If anyone thinks all of these players should be considered as comparisons to Kaepernick, let me know.
That leaves:
Marcus Mariotta, similar after 6, has played for 7 and is under contract for year 8 in 2022.
Carson Wentz, similar after 6, while he is not a star, no one thinks he should not be under contract for his 7th year.
Blake Bortles, similar after 6, but was under contract for 8.He could still be under contract for his 9th year in 2022.
Now let's expand to QBs with similar "quality and shape" for their entire careers. To Mariota, Wentz and Bortles we will now add Jay Fiedler (9 year career), Scott Mitchell (11 year career), Jameis Winston (7+ year career), David Carr(11 year career), Stan Humphries (9 year career), Elvis Grbac (8 year career), and Kyle Orton (10 year career).
It's absolutely clear that Kaepernick's performance was strong enough during his first 6 years to warrant being under contract during his 7th year. His case for being excluded from playing in the NFL in years since as a direct result of his decision to speak up against racial injustice is undisputable. It's your privilege to believe differently.
First, those guys don't **** where they eat.
Second, he elected to become a free agent and he wanted a starting job and a starter's salary or he probably would have ended up in Denver.
It seems his ego didn't allow him to accept salary commensurate to his talent and play, and he wasn't willing to fight for a starting job. He made his bed.
This nonsense that, at age 34, a guy who wasn't very good in the first place and whose game relied entirely on mobility would be good in the league after a 6 year absence is silly. [Reply]
