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Patteeu Memorial Political Forum>911 was an inside job.
Taco John 12:06 AM 02-09-2006
After watching this, I am once and for all convinced that it was an inside job...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...81991288263801


The evidence is way too strong.
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Sybil 10:08 PM 02-11-2006
Originally Posted by Chiefs Express:
Is your thesis published? It might be an interesting read.
Submitting it in March. Orals in April.
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Logical 10:18 PM 02-11-2006
Originally Posted by Sybil:
Well, it's the Democrats showing their asses at the moment. Make no mistake though, there is extremism on the Republican side of the isle too. There are plenty of equivalents to DU, on the right: talk radio, townhall.com, and others. The only difference seems to be that the Republicans seem to be able to marginalize their wackos, while the Democrats seem intent on celebrating theirs, front and center.
I really don't see the Republican marginalizing Ann Coulter et. al. Seems they are celebrated as well.
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Sybil 10:30 PM 02-11-2006
Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav:
I really don't see the Republican marginalizing Ann Coulter et. al. Seems they are celebrated as well.
Anne Coulter is to the right, what Maureen Dowd is to the left: a smart mouthed witty wacko kunt.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 10:32 PM 02-11-2006
Originally Posted by Sybil:
Anne Coulter is to the right, what Maureen Dowd is to the left: a smart mouthed witty wacko kunt.
When was the last time Maureen Dowd advocating killing a standing supreme court justice?
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'Hamas' Jenkins 10:35 PM 02-11-2006
Originally Posted by Sybil:
Well, it's the Democrats showing their asses at the moment. Make no mistake though, there is extremism on the Republican side of the isle too. There are plenty of equivalents to DU, on the right: talk radio, townhall.com, and others. The only difference seems to be that the Republicans seem to be able to marginalize their wackos, while the Democrats seem intent on celebrating theirs, front and center.
THe republicans seem to be able to marginalize their wackos??

Bush received 40% of his total votes from self described white evangelicals, who are about as whacked out as one can get. You can't marginalize a group that large, and they don't. Look at the infusion of religion into their rhetoric. Limbaugh and Hannity are absolute wackos who are the most listened to on the right in terms of total viewership. Ann Coulter is to the right of them...and she ended up on the cover of Time Magazine last year. How exactly is that marginalizing your wackos??
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Sybil 10:38 PM 02-11-2006
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
When was the last time Maureen Dowd advocating killing a standing supreme court justice?
You obviously don't read her column if you don't think she's been equally outrageous. I had to endure 18 mos of reading her ideologically venomous tripe.
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alnorth 10:38 PM 02-11-2006
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
THe republicans seem to be able to marginalize their wackos??

Bush received 40% of his total votes from self described white evangelicals, who are about as whacked out as one can get. You can't marginalize a group that large, and they don't. Look at the infusion of religion into their rhetoric. Limbaugh and Hannity are absolute wackos who are the most listened to on the right in terms of total viewership. Ann Coulter is to the right of them...and she ended up on the cover of Time Magazine last year. How exactly is that marginalizing your wackos??
Perception is reality. What you think really doesnt matter in the context of what Joe and Suzy Sixpack perceive in October when they finally start paying attention to politics, and during those times in the last few cycles, its pretty clear that the GOP has done a better job of hiding their far right, no matter how large, than the left.
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Sybil 10:42 PM 02-11-2006
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
THe republicans seem to be able to marginalize their wackos??

Bush received 40% of his total votes from self described white evangelicals, who are about as whacked out as one can get. You can't marginalize a group that large, and they don't. Look at the infusion of religion into their rhetoric. Limbaugh and Hannity are absolute wackos who are the most listened to on the right in terms of total viewership. Ann Coulter is to the right of them...and she ended up on the cover of Time Magazine last year. How exactly is that marginalizing your wackos??
What you have described is the media's attempt to draw attention to their wackos. Yes, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter are crazies. But ask average Americans which side is more whacked. Giving Jesse Jackson, Ted Kennedy, Michael Moore, Moveon.org, and others their voice, and people like Kerrey and, probably, Hillary, their nomination.....Democrats put their crazies out front for all to see.
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banyon 10:52 PM 02-11-2006
Originally Posted by Sybil:
What you have described is the media's attempt to draw attention to their wackos. Yes, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter are crazies. But ask average Americans which side is more whacked. Giving Jesse Jackson, Ted Kennedy, Michael Moore, Moveon.org, and others their voice, and people like Kerrey and, probably, Hillary, their nomination.....Democrats put their crazies out front for all to see.
Those are the efforts of the media to draw attention to them?

Surely Rush and Hannity's efforts to get ratings are intentional efforts on their parts?
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Sybil 10:55 PM 02-11-2006
Originally Posted by banyon:
...Surely Rush and Hannity's efforts to get ratings are intentional efforts on their parts?
With their listeners and viewers, yes. Beyond that, the media seems imminently more interested in them than average citizens....
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banyon 11:05 PM 02-11-2006
Originally Posted by Sybil:
With their listeners and viewers, yes. Beyond that, the media seems imminently more interested in them than average citizens....
But according to recxjake, Rush is #1:

Originally Posted by recxjake:
and has the # 1 rated show in America
brilliant recxjake thread

:-)

but, seriously, by definiton being #1 means you are exposing youself to a lot of people (no pun intended), regardless of other media outlets mentioning them. IMHO, they are mostly mentioned by other media because they are celebrities of a sort, not because of ideological bent.
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alnorth 11:12 PM 02-11-2006
Of course if you really want to look at the political calculus, it also doesnt help the Democrats that the left-wing hard-core base is far smaller than the GOP hard-core base. The simple fact is, the GOP needs to capture fewer so-called "moderates" than the Democrats to gain the majority every 2 years. It may take some time for this landscape to change, it once was swung the other way.
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Logical 12:46 AM 02-12-2006
Originally Posted by alnorth:
Of course if you really want to look at the political calculus, it also doesnt help the Democrats that the left-wing hard-core base is far smaller than the GOP hard-core base. The simple fact is, the GOP needs to capture fewer so-called "moderates" than the Democrats to gain the majority every 2 years. It may take some time for this landscape to change, it once was swung the other way.
On the opposite side of the equation is that there are more Democrats than Republicans and independents make up almost 33% of the electorate now. Independents identify themselves as moderately liberal 37% while the moderately conservatives number 30 percent, the rest put themselves in the true middle.
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alnorth 12:50 AM 02-12-2006
Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav:
On the opposite side of the equation is that there are more Democrats than Republicans and independents make up almost 33% of the electorate now. Independents identify themselves as moderately liberal 37% while the moderately conservatives number 30 percent, the rest put themselves in the true middle.
Ahh, but after the last POTUS election, during a polarising time when you'd think everyone and their dog would care and vote, the Democrats and moderates still turned out to be squishy unreliable voters, while the Republicans voted with a high degree of reliability. The Democrats outnumber Republicans, even during 1994, but only on paper. We play football on the field and hold elections in the polling booth rather than on paper.

So, having debunked the great hope the left had in the youth vote and their "energised" party, we are looking at a pool of likely voters where the reliable Republican votes outnumber the reliable Democrat votes, and the middle is a bit short of that 1/3 number we always hear from conventional wisdom.
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Logical 12:56 AM 02-12-2006
Originally Posted by alnorth:
Ahh, but after the last POTUS election, during a polarising time when you'd think everyone and their dog would care and vote, the Democrats and moderates still turned out to be squishy unreliable voters, while the Republicans voted with a high degree of reliability. The Democrats outnumber Republicans, even during 1994, but only on paper. We play football on the field and hold elections in the polling booth rather than on paper.

So, having debunked the great hope the left had in the youth vote and their "energised" party, we are looking at a pool of likely voters where the reliable Republican votes outnumber the reliable Democrat votes, and the middle is a bit short of that 1/3 number we always hear from conventional wisdom.
You would have a better point if the majority had not voted Democrat in 2000. The electoral college margins remain razor thin, watching the overconfidence of the Republicans is amusing and as a mostly conservative moderate somewhat disturbing.
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