Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
It's been about two months and I'd say that I have about 80% of my taste and smell back. I kind of wish that I could permanently lose my sense of smell. I get headaches from odors all the time. Scented candles, scented cleaning agents etc. often give me such a bad headache that I feel nauseous. They didn't bother me at all when I couldn't smell and it was wonderful. I didn't even care that I couldn't smell fresh bread, steaks etc. because my quality of life was better. The whole not being able to smell smoke was worrisome however. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mr. Wizard:
We go back to school Monday and I pray we make it through this semester without mandated masks and or online school. I teach high school and community college welding and it’s been a struggle but the kids are amazing and resilient. Much more so than us old dog teachers. I was always forgetting my mask yet, our school of 2000 plus, seldom had kids who were not wearing them.
Please lord let us make it through the semester!
Good luck. Hopefully you'll somehow avoid covid [Reply]
Originally Posted by Swanman:
People can start by believing actual data and not bullshit spewed on social media. Sorry for your friend, the needless suffering is soulcrushing.
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The people responsible for reporting data and interpreting it for the masses have spent years building bad will with people by lying or being deceitful about nearly everything they write and say. A lot of this is absolutely on them. They put clickbait and politics before news and reporting for years and helped create an emotional and reactive public not encouraged to think. It’s really not surprising that people decided they would continue being distrustful of them because they’ve already spent years being this way.
The people then don’t care about reality or facts about vaccines and instead seek out whoever is providing information that is different from what those others are saying and convince themselves it’s the actual truth. They convince themselves they are seeking and finding the actual truth when they find someone who says don’t take the vaccine, but it’s simpler than that. They are actually only seeking something different from what their “enemies” are saying, regardless of what it is. They don’t realize at all what’s actually going on in their minds. It then becomes a source of pride for them to say they don’t believe those people pushing vaccines and found the “real truth.” And far too many opposing outlets and people are willing to indulge these desires and provide different information for their own benefit. This process is true of basically any other topic as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
The people responsible for reporting data and interpreting it for the masses have spent years building bad will with people by lying or being deceitful about nearly everything they write and say. A lot of this is absolutely on them. They put clickbait and politics before news and reporting for years and helped create an emotional and reactive public not encouraged to think. It’s really not surprising that people decided they would continue being distrustful of them because they’ve already spent years being this way.
The people then don’t care about reality or facts about vaccines and instead seek out whoever is providing information that is different from what those others are saying and convince themselves it’s the actual truth. They convince themselves they are seeking and finding the actual truth when they find someone who says don’t take the vaccine, but it’s simpler than that. They are actually only seeking something different from what their “enemies” are saying, regardless of what it is. They don’t realize at all what’s actually going on in their minds. It then becomes a source of pride for them to say they don’t believe those people pushing vaccines and found the “real truth.” And far too many opposing outlets and people are willing to indulge these desires and provide different information for their own benefit. This process is true of basically any other topic as well.
The term for it is "performative contrarianism". If someone you don't like says fire is hot, you have to go find a chiropractor on Facebook that has a thousand videos about how fire isn't hot. The unwillingness to agree on even basic facts becomes a complete identity.
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
The people responsible for reporting data and interpreting it for the masses have spent years building bad will with people by lying or being deceitful about nearly everything they write and say. A lot of this is absolutely on them. They put clickbait and politics before news and reporting for years and helped create an emotional and reactive public not encouraged to think. It’s really not surprising that people decided they would continue being distrustful of them because they’ve already spent years being this way.
The people then don’t care about reality or facts about vaccines and instead seek out whoever is providing information that is different from what those others are saying and convince themselves it’s the actual truth. They convince themselves they are seeking and finding the actual truth when they find someone who says don’t take the vaccine, but it’s simpler than that. They are actually only seeking something different from what their “enemies” are saying, regardless of what it is. They don’t realize at all what’s actually going on in their minds. It then becomes a source of pride for them to say they don’t believe those people pushing vaccines and found the “real truth.” And far too many opposing outlets and people are willing to indulge these desires and provide different information for their own benefit. This process is true of basically any other topic as well.
I would agree with this. I feel like there's no such thing as news reporting any more from the mainstream media. It's all editorial opinions disguised as news or it's clickbait. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Dunit35:
My daughter fell behind last year during Covid. She started 3rd grade at a 2nd grade level. Teachers said it could’ve been due to being at home so much when schools were shut down.
We sent her to a tutoring academy. She spent the entire semester two days a week tutoring. She caught up just fine but we spent $1500 for the school. Makes me wonder how many other kids fell behind but couldn’t afford to do what we did.
Society will be paying this debt for decades.
Our little village did its best to keep my sister's kids firing on all cylinders. A good chunk of their peers in the mid and lower socioeconomic groups are in a mess though. Before break the amount of school suspensions were climbing higher than they've ever been. It's hard to even think about all the kids who rely on school for a decent meal and a safe space away from whatever is preying on them. [Reply]
Got a COVID test this morning and tested negative but I've been sick as shit for the past 4 days. Chest congestion, cough, fever. A lot of the similar signs. I went ahead and bought one of those blood oxygen monitors you put on your finger just in case. [Reply]
Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat:
Got a COVID test this morning and tested negative but I've been sick as shit for the past 4 days. Chest congestion, cough, fever. A lot of the similar signs. I went ahead and bought one of those blood oxygen monitors you put on your finger just in case.
Isolate like you are positive, it won’t test positive until day 5-7. [Reply]
Originally Posted by carlos3652:
Isolate like you are positive, it won’t test positive until day 5-7.
I haven't left the house for like a week. My sister tested positive the day after Christmas and I was around her the whole week before. Whole family has been tested and everyone is negative.
Got groceries delivered for the first time ever. Watched a bunch of movies, played video games and currently pretending there were no NFL games today. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
The people responsible for reporting data and interpreting it for the masses have spent years building bad will with people by lying or being deceitful about nearly everything they write and say. A lot of this is absolutely on them. They put clickbait and politics before news and reporting for years and helped create an emotional and reactive public not encouraged to think. It’s really not surprising that people decided they would continue being distrustful of them because they’ve already spent years being this way.
The people then don’t care about reality or facts about vaccines and instead seek out whoever is providing information that is different from what those others are saying and convince themselves it’s the actual truth. They convince themselves they are seeking and finding the actual truth when they find someone who says don’t take the vaccine, but it’s simpler than that. They are actually only seeking something different from what their “enemies” are saying, regardless of what it is. They don’t realize at all what’s actually going on in their minds. It then becomes a source of pride for them to say they don’t believe those people pushing vaccines and found the “real truth.” And far too many opposing outlets and people are willing to indulge these desires and provide different information for their own benefit. This process is true of basically any other topic as well.
That's certainly true. In this case, though, it's not difficult at all to understand what the corpus of data is clearly telling us. Hell, if you aren't smart enough to understand that, ask your doctor. [Reply]
Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat:
Got a COVID test this morning and tested negative but I've been sick as shit for the past 4 days. Chest congestion, cough, fever. A lot of the similar signs. I went ahead and bought one of those blood oxygen monitors you put on your finger just in case.
My son had all those things. Tested negative for COVID. Dr said the flu is going gang busters right now and it was likely that.
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
I would agree with this. I feel like there's no such thing as news reporting any more from the mainstream media. It's all editorial opinions disguised as news or it's clickbait.
Also, far too many people only read the headline and/or the first paragraph. Often to read the actually important bits, you have to read all the way to the last paragraph where they give all the caveats and context. [Reply]