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Nzoner's Game Room>What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2
dlphg9 05:43 AM 02-17-2021
Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918


This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

Fucking Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

Fucking MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.
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KChiefs1 12:38 PM 09-13-2021
Another game another poor effort.
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Valiant 01:03 PM 09-13-2021
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic:
I have only seen Mahomes call out players on the field a few times.

I yelled at my TV because Robinson could have almost fallen forward and got the first down, but ran sideways into the defender, and then Mahomes did the arm thing.

But, he also was quite annoyed with Robinson when he didn't come back to the ball, but instead drifted into the end zone.

If I was an offensive player, and Mahomes made a gesture during the game pointing out my mistake, with an unhappy look on his face, I would feel like a child who just got yelled at by the cool uncle.

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This is where before I have said he doesn't have the heart for it.

He is 3 top five players probably top 2 players at their positions telling him what he needs to do to be successful.

Kelce, put the work in. He talks all the time about football.

Hill, was considered just fast and a returner. He put the work in. Hardman could have a similar skillset. But I have never seen him train with hill.

Mahomes, has been busting his tail day one. Everyone should know if he is forced from the pocket what is expected.


He either steps up or he gets replaced.
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ModSocks 01:06 PM 09-13-2021
I've been saying it since the start of the offseason:

This whole WR corps gets nuked in the '22 Offseason.
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notorious 01:08 PM 09-13-2021
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
I've been saying it since the start of the offseason:

This whole WR corps gets nuked in the '22 Offseason.
Hill too?
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staylor26 01:08 PM 09-13-2021
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
I've been saying it since the start of the offseason:

This whole WR corps gets nuked in the '22 Offseason.
Along with the DE group.

The young guys on rookie contracts will stay (Hardman, Kaindoh, Danna, etc.), but they will draft and sign multiple guys.
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Dunerdr 01:09 PM 09-13-2021
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
I've been saying it since the start of the offseason:

This whole WR corps gets nuked in the '22 Offseason.
It looks like the WR and DE's need it.
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notorious 01:10 PM 09-13-2021
He'd be a nobody anywhere else.

When it's time to cut bait do it and never look back.
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Easy 6 01:11 PM 09-13-2021
Originally Posted by Dunerdr:
It looks like the WR and DE's need it.
God forbid we lose Hill or Kelce for any significant time, or Jones for that matter
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staylor26 01:15 PM 09-13-2021
Originally Posted by notorious:
He'd be a nobody anywhere else.

When it's time to cut bait do it and never look back.
Even if Hardman just is who he is, he still adds value on a cheap rookie deal.

You certainly don’t want to pay him to be anything more than that, but he’s still a solid asset for these last 2 years.

You can’t expect a HR with every day 2 pick. Hitting a single or a double every now and then is still much better than striking out.

Just look at some of the other WR’s taken that year after him like Parris Campbell and JJ Arcega-Whiteside.
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notorious 01:17 PM 09-13-2021
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Even if Hardman just is who he is, he still adds value on a cheap rookie deal.

You certainly don’t want to pay him to be anything more than that, but he’s still a solid asset for these last 2 years.

You can’t expect a HR with every day 2 pick. Hitting a single or a double every now and then is still much better than striking out.

Just look at some of the other WR’s taken that year after him like Parris Campbell and JJ Arcega-Whiteside.
Sure, but when it's time, punt him like Dexter McCluster and never look back.
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KChiefs1 01:18 PM 09-13-2021
Hardman losing his helmet is just typical Hardman.

I just keep imagining Kareem Hunt & DK Metcalf in our offense.


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-King- 01:20 PM 09-13-2021
Originally Posted by KChiefs1:
Hardman losing his helmet is just typical Hardman.

I just keep imagining Kareem Hunt & DK Metcalf in our offense.

It takes most receivers in Reid's system till year 4 or 5 to be able to keep track of their helmet. Give him a break!
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ModSocks 01:22 PM 09-13-2021
Originally Posted by notorious:
Hill too?
Not Hill.
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Titty Meat 01:25 PM 09-13-2021
Hardman sucks, CEH sucks, wasted a 1st for clark, brown looks average. I miss Dorsey
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staylor26 01:35 PM 09-13-2021
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Hardman sucks, CEH sucks, wasted a 1st for clark, brown looks average. I miss Dorsey
Holy shit this is fucking stupid.

Let’s just ignore Humphrey, Bolton, Sneed, Thornhill, Smith, Niang, Hughes etc. and focus on the bad huh?

And if you consider the Clark a “waste” then you have very little respect for the role he played in our SB.

Also, Brown is above average. He’s Erich Fisher with a different skill set and a little bit better of a run blocker.
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