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Titty Meat 11:21 PM 01-19-2024
Y'all want to ride with Smith for another year or give Morris a chance? Because there's probably several good to decent prospects who likely will be there when the Chiefs pick.
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DJ's left nut 12:08 PM 02-06-2024
Originally Posted by kccrow:
How would we feel about just brining back Prince Tega Wanogho and having him and Morris battle it out? PTW looked alright in his action at times and has the athleticism.
Well that idea is absolutely horrifying.

I'd cut corners literally everywhere else before I went into next season with Prince and Morris as 1a and 1b at LT. That's a recipe for the season being over before it even starts.
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Couch-Potato 01:11 PM 02-06-2024
How about Christian Jones in the 2nd or 3rd?

Apparently he was the best OT at the Sr Bowl.
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JPH83 02:41 PM 02-06-2024
Originally Posted by Couch-Potato:
How about Christian Jones in the 2nd or 3rd?

Apparently he was the best OT at the Sr Bowl.
I wish I liked this year's OTs more. Its a weak FA market and imo we DO need to be looking at tackles soon. I hear it's a good year but I don't really see great depth.

I wouldn't hate Jones in the 3rd as a guy who you try at OT but probably move inside. But he may go earlier now. I think that's my thinking.

The problem we have is we already have a raw, developmental guy in Morris. I don't really see how you carry 2. I was pretty keen on trying to "fix" LT but now it seems a better bet to bring back D Smith and have Morris compete, then go for a guy later with some potential positional versatility.
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DJ's left nut 03:17 PM 02-06-2024
Originally Posted by JPH83:
I wish I liked this year's OTs more. Its a weak FA market and imo we DO need to be looking at tackles soon. I hear it's a good year but I don't really see great depth.

I wouldn't hate Jones in the 3rd as a guy who you try at OT but probably move inside. But he may go earlier now. I think that's my thinking.

The problem we have is we already have a raw, developmental guy in Morris. I don't really see how you carry 2. I was pretty keen on trying to "fix" LT but now it seems a better bet to bring back D Smith and have Morris compete, then go for a guy later with some potential positional versatility.
I don't like any of the 'likely to be available' guys more than I liked Anton Harrison last year.

And man oh man did I look like a dipshit there. Because Harrison was hot garbage almost all season. The Jags probably would've been better served going with Walker Little at RT and drafting...about anyone else. The guy struggled biggly.

I was wrong enough there that it convinced me that I have no idea what I'm looking at with OTs. So I'm gonna just go ahead and trust the team that has Andy Reid, one of the best teachers and evaluators of O-linemen in the game, in charge of it.

That dude knows linemen. If he sees a guy he wants that I didn't - he's right and I'm wrong. If he doesn't see anybody out there worth drafting when I thought there was one - see above.

I'm out of the 'question the Chiefs approach on offensive linemen' game.
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Toad 10:11 AM 02-07-2024
A guy who seems to be rising up boards is Patrick Paul:

From Bleach Report:
HEIGHT: 6'7"
WEIGHT: 333
HAND: 9 3/8"
ARM: 36 1/4"
WINGSPAN: 86 3/4"

POSITIVES
— Excellent length with a tight clench and strong hands to tie up defenders once latched.
— Good athletic ability with the necessary quickness and agility to get to landmarks in pass protection and intersect targets on the move as a run-blocker.
— Casts a wide net with his length that helps him impede and slow down rushers who get to his edges.
— Good stopping power and strain in his anchor to promptly dissipate the bull rush.
— Brings an edgy, chippy play personality and finishes through the echo of the whistle.

NEGATIVES
— Upright playing style with an exposed chest and a propensity to hold defenders due to late, looping hand placement that results in his hands landing high and wide on target.
— Needs to do a better job of maximizing length and keeping defenders at his fingertips rather than allowing them access into his frame.
— Head dips into overextension on angle-drive/base blocks against post-snap movement across his face.
— Bad habit of drifting and oversetting on angled/45-degree sets, creating a soft inside shoulder against counter moves.
— Can get a little lazy at the top of the quarterback's drop, letting his pads rise before falling off late inside moves.
2023 STATISTICS
— 12 starts at left tackle
— Team captain

NOTES
— Born November 1, 2000
— 3-star tackle recruit in 2019 class
— Moved from the defensive to offensive line as a senior in high school
— 44 career starts at left tackle
— Started the first two games of his redshirt freshman season in 2020 before missing the remainder of the season with a foot/ankle injury
— Older brother is Chris Paul, whom the Commanders selected in the seventh round in the 2022 NFL draft
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kccrow 12:41 PM 02-07-2024
Christian Jones looks like a solid RT option to me. Not sure I like his prospects on the left. I think the same about Javon Foster for the most part though I might give him a shot at LT first. If I were grabbing a RT, I really like Blake Fisher form Notre dame better than both those guys.

Paul is going to need at least a year, if not longer, to reach NFL strength and technique. Any scouting report that talks about the kid's "power" would be horseshit in my opinion. I'll be surprised if he isn't a 3rd rounder. Maybe someone reaches in the 2nd hoping he ascends quickly but I just don't think he's that type of player. I think his rating is grossly overstated. I also dont' particularly love how guys from Houston translate to the NFL on the regular, which compounds my questions otherwise.

The guys I most like as potential LTs we might have a shot at are Mims (he's going to need some work though), Guyton, Suamataia, and Amegadjie.
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DJ's left nut 03:57 PM 02-07-2024
Guyton seems to be the one most likely to be available to us who might be a nice fit here. I've seen some folks suggest Fuaga will get that far but I'm not seeing it.

The Yale kid seems kinda interesting as an early 3rd day developmental possibility but man its just so rare to get anything out of those guys, especially at LT.

Tackle seems to be a position that most teams have a pretty solid feel for. If you can do it, you'll go no later than Day 2.
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JPH83 04:02 PM 02-07-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I don't like any of the 'likely to be available' guys more than I liked Anton Harrison last year.

And man oh man did I look like a dipshit there. Because Harrison was hot garbage almost all season. The Jags probably would've been better served going with Walker Little at RT and drafting...about anyone else. The guy struggled biggly.

I was wrong enough there that it convinced me that I have no idea what I'm looking at with OTs. So I'm gonna just go ahead and trust the team that has Andy Reid, one of the best teachers and evaluators of O-linemen in the game, in charge of it.

That dude knows linemen. If he sees a guy he wants that I didn't - he's right and I'm wrong. If he doesn't see anybody out there worth drafting when I thought there was one - see above.

I'm out of the 'question the Chiefs approach on offensive linemen' game.
Yeah if it makes you feel better I was at least as wrong as you were on Harrison. And yes, feels like the fair approach to trust in Reid. I'm going to pretend Kinnard didn't happen though. A rare miss.
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JPH83 04:05 PM 02-07-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Guyton seems to be the one most likely to be available to us who might be a nice fit here. I've seen some folks suggest Fuaga will get that far but I'm not seeing it.

The Yale kid seems kinda interesting as an early 3rd day developmental possibility but man its just so rare to get anything out of those guys, especially at LT.

Tackle seems to be a position that most teams have a pretty solid feel for. If you can do it, you'll go no later than Day 2.
The Yale guy seems to have rocketed up boards. He looked like a R3 guy but now I'm seeing him go R2. In all honesty it takes me back to my original thinking. The depth probably isn't all it was made out to be.
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DJ's left nut 04:06 PM 02-07-2024
Originally Posted by JPH83:
Yeah if it makes you feel better I was at least as wrong as you were on Harrison. And yes, feels like the fair approach to trust in Reid. I'm going to pretend Kinnard didn't happen though. A rare miss.
Eh.

No such thing as a 'miss' on the 3rd day. It was a completely reasonable stab (I loved it, though I never thought he could play the left side). Just didn't work out.

Most of those 3rd day picks won't.
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O.city 04:12 PM 02-07-2024
I don't much care for any of the options available to us, I'd give Wanya an offseason and see what happens.
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kccrow 03:58 AM 02-08-2024
Originally Posted by JPH83:
The Yale guy seems to have rocketed up boards. He looked like a R3 guy but now I'm seeing him go R2. In all honesty it takes me back to my original thinking. The depth probably isn't all it was made out to be.
He's not as much rocketing up as he is returning from the rocket down when he got injured this year. There were some chattering about 1st round potential. He's athletic as hell with absolutely elite arm length and is solid in both facets. The only concern, really, is level of competition because you can coach up the technique flaws.

I've been contemplating the juggling of balls here between WR, DT, and OT. I'd have no reservations saying that I'd hope for him in the 2nd round, especially if DT is adequately resolved in FA. The major sticker is what does Reid and Co think of Wanya Morris? We don't think highly as a collective but that may not be what the brass thinks.
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DJ's left nut 09:21 AM 02-08-2024
Originally Posted by kccrow:
He's not as much rocketing up as he is returning from the rocket down when he got injured this year. There were some chattering about 1st round potential. He's athletic as hell with absolutely elite arm length and is solid in both facets. The only concern, really, is level of competition because you can coach up the technique flaws.

I've been contemplating the juggling of balls here between WR, DT, and OT. I'd have no reservations saying that I'd hope for him in the 2nd round, especially if DT is adequately resolved in FA. The major sticker is what does Reid and Co think of Wanya Morris? We don't think highly as a collective but that may not be what the brass thinks.
Yeah - I'm almost always late to the table on guys with bad platform years because I can't claim to be so looped in that I remember what happened with those dudes their junior years.

Someone like 'Tez Walker is a bit of an outlier for me but mostly because I looked him up when all the news was swirling around him in NC so I had him on my radar already.

But thats why I had no idea who Danna was when we took him - I had no working knowledge of his Junior year until people started talking about it after we drafted him and I could see why we did what we did.

And we know how thorough Veach is on those guys (it's how he got Sneed as well). So if the Yale kid had a great Junior tape and struggled as a Senior, you're probably right - the Chiefs are probably all over him. They're really really good at digging deeper on a lot of these kids.
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O.city 09:38 AM 02-08-2024
If he's got long arms and is athletic.....yeah, lets do that.
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staylor26 09:47 AM 02-08-2024
Am I the only one that thinks Kingsley Suamataia should be in the conversation in round 1?
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