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Nzoner's Game Room>Caleb Williams is destined to be a massive bust
penguinz 08:18 AM 03-01-2024

BREAKING: USC QB Caleb Williams has DECLINED to medical examinations with teams at the Combine and did not sign off on having his medical records shared
with all teams.

Williams is believed to be the first combine invitee ever to decline an examination, per CBS. pic.twitter.com/ipHqfxNBYJ

— MLFootball (@_MLFootball) March 1, 2024

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Buehler445 12:39 PM 03-01-2024
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
CP hates confident black men
I like boobs. They're my favorite thing.
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DJ's left nut 12:41 PM 03-01-2024
Originally Posted by Mecca:
The Eberflus shit makes no sense, I guess they somehow think the fact that they finished the year ok and the defense got better means if Caleb is good they're a playoff team?
With their cap space and draft capital, if Caleb Williams is even average they should be a playoff team.

They could potentially be a playoff team with Justin Fields next year.

I think Chicago is as good a 1.1 opportunity as any QB has had in a VERY long time.
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Megatron96 12:42 PM 03-01-2024
Third time now that I've heard/read about Caleb possibly being a bust. Will be interesting to see how he pans out. And which analysts prove to be correct.
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DJ's left nut 12:45 PM 03-01-2024
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
Just armchair thinking here, but when you have a guy with super elite arm talent like this, but who doesn't take what the defense gives him at times, wouldn't you want to know how coachable he is? Especially if the athleticism of the defensive linemen he's playing against in the NFL will be much greater and negate some of his escapability, throwing windows will be tighter, reads will need to be made faster, all else.

The attitude coming out of his camp seems to be more that he's a finished product, teams should be considering him as such. Is that the case in his mind, too?
The fact that Miller Moss stepped in and looked as good as Caleb Williams has at any point in the last year has to mean something, right?

Dude throws 6 TDs in his only start. That's gotta matter. Especially when there are real concerns that the guy doesn't process very well.
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wazu 12:49 PM 03-01-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
With their cap space and draft capital, if Caleb Williams is even average they should be a playoff team.

They could potentially be a playoff team with Justin Fields next year.

I think Chicago is as good a 1.1 opportunity as any QB has had in a VERY long time.
Bad coaching is more than capable of squandering what should be an embarrassment of riches. It will probably come down to whether or not their new offensive coordinator is good.
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pugsnotdrugs19 12:49 PM 03-01-2024
I’m starting to buy in a little on Williams and I think the possibility of Chicago being a real competitor again is fun. Thank God the NFC is finally getting some new QB blood.
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MahomesMagic 12:51 PM 03-01-2024
He's very talented. But he does have some flaws.

Unlike Mahomes, who created to keep the play alive, Caleb will actually create the chaos himself even when it is not needed.

Mahomes was killed for this coming out but Caleb is way worse at moving on to the next play.
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Imon Yourside 01:01 PM 03-01-2024
Originally Posted by wannaGOback:
Daniels is now my QB1. Anyone who drafts Caleb ahead of this guy will be at risk of losing their job.
I hope the Raiders don't get Daniels, then again if they do they can Raider anything up.
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DJ's left nut 01:13 PM 03-01-2024
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
He's very talented. But he does have some flaws.

Unlike Mahomes, who created to keep the play alive, Caleb will actually create the chaos himself even when it is not needed.

Mahomes was killed for this coming out but Caleb is way worse at moving on to the next play.
If Deshaun Watson were more athletic, he'd be Caleb Williams.

Watson created far more headaches for himself than he needed to and in the end the only thing he truly did well was throw a pretty deep ball.

Clay would've masturbated furiously to either of those guys back in 2015 in his 'throw it deeeeeeeep' days.

Williams has tools, no question. Premier arm talent, great athleticism. But he's not a polished quarterback in a lot of ways. We've gotten a little bit nutty in that we suddenly expect these guys to be finished products when very very few truly are. He could absolutely learn how to do most of these things he struggles with.

But Fields never did. Many guys before that didn't. And Williams has to self-scout in order to make those improvements; it's not a given that he's open to that sort of thing.

I'd take him at 1.1. I'd simply not be willing to pass on the tools. But man - there's a lot more risk here than many want to think.
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Eleazar 01:17 PM 03-01-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
If Deshaun Watson were more athletic, he'd be Caleb Williams.

Watson created far more headaches for himself than he needed to and in the end the only thing he truly did well was throw a pretty deep ball.

Clay would've masturbated furiously to either of those guys back in 2015 in his 'throw it deeeeeeeep' days.

Williams has tools, no question. Premier arm talent, great athleticism. But he's not a polished quarterback in a lot of ways. We've gotten a little bit nutty in that we suddenly expect these guys to be finished products when very very few truly are. He could absolutely learn how to do most of these things he struggles with.

But Fields never did. Many guys before that didn't. And Williams has to self-scout in order to make those improvements; it's not a given that he's open to that sort of thing.

I'd take him at 1.1. I'd simply not be willing to pass on the tools. But man - there's a lot more risk here than many want to think.
All in all, I don't know how you could pass on the potential if you're a QB-poor team and your only chance to be relevant is to hit on a QB. You may as well swing for the fence.
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Imon Yourside 01:28 PM 03-01-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
If Deshaun Watson were more athletic, he'd be Caleb Williams.

Watson created far more headaches for himself than he needed to and in the end the only thing he truly did well was throw a pretty deep ball.

Clay would've masturbated furiously to either of those guys back in 2015 in his 'throw it deeeeeeeep' days.

Williams has tools, no question. Premier arm talent, great athleticism. But he's not a polished quarterback in a lot of ways. We've gotten a little bit nutty in that we suddenly expect these guys to be finished products when very very few truly are. He could absolutely learn how to do most of these things he struggles with.

But Fields never did. Many guys before that didn't. And Williams has to self-scout in order to make those improvements; it's not a given that he's open to that sort of thing.

I'd take him at 1.1. I'd simply not be willing to pass on the tools. But man - there's a lot more risk here than many want to think.
Well stated and it all depends on what is around him coaching and talent wise.
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MahomesMagic 01:31 PM 03-01-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
If Deshaun Watson were more athletic, he'd be Caleb Williams.

Watson created far more headaches for himself than he needed to and in the end the only thing he truly did well was throw a pretty deep ball.

Clay would've masturbated furiously to either of those guys back in 2015 in his 'throw it deeeeeeeep' days.

Williams has tools, no question. Premier arm talent, great athleticism. But he's not a polished quarterback in a lot of ways. We've gotten a little bit nutty in that we suddenly expect these guys to be finished products when very very few truly are. He could absolutely learn how to do most of these things he struggles with.

But Fields never did. Many guys before that didn't. And Williams has to self-scout in order to make those improvements; it's not a given that he's open to that sort of thing.

I'd take him at 1.1. I'd simply not be willing to pass on the tools. But man - there's a lot more risk here than many want to think.


To me there are two guys at the top in Caleb and Drake.

Both have talent to be very good. For most prospects, unless you are a generational player like Mahomes or a horrible prospect like Josh Rosen, the destination matters a lot.

If you are a talented prospect and go to a team with no oline, weapons or coaching you are going to look bad.


Then you need coaching fit.

If Josh Allen went to Shanahan I don't think he would be what he is now. He got Daboll who built a unique offense around the QB. Not every QB drafted gets that opportunity.
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comochiefsfan 01:37 PM 03-01-2024
I don’t see any kind of leadership gene with Caleb.

He might be great if he went into a ready made situation like SF.

But how will he react when he’s playing for a shitty organization and people are failing all around him?

I have serious doubts but we’ll see.
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Titty Meat 01:40 PM 03-01-2024
Originally Posted by Buehler445:
I like boobs. They're my favorite thing.
I'm going to get some so youll talk to me
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neech 01:44 PM 03-01-2024
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Deion Sanders acted this way and wouldnít even talk to teams that didnít have a high enough pick to take him.

He turned out fine and so will Caleb. Heís gonna be good. If any franchise deserves a good QB itís the Bears
But in today's NFL these teams place these unproven stud QB's right out of college into playing right away instead of giving them half the season or better to learn the fast-paced game and complicated playbooks these teams have.

Throw them into the fire right away.
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