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Saccopoo Memorial Draft Forum>Duncan Idaho's Compendium of Comprehensive Offseason Plans
duncan_idaho 12:05 PM 01-03-2024
Offseason Plan: Version 5.0

Now with more Chris Jones, for sure, and an understanding of his contract. And Drue Tranquill on contract.

Cut
WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling
DE Charles Omenihu (last time, I said this stunk. Hearing him saying today that he thinks he should be paid like the guys in the tier right behind Nick Bosa makes it a pretty no-brainer. He clearly isn’t in a spot to do a small extension. So cut him loose.)

Extend
S Justin Reid (4/$49M – I stick to the restructure of Reid in this run. He’s just so solid and good and reliable, and the secondary still needs a veteran leader.)

Tag and Trade
CB L’Jarius Sneed (this time, I send him to the Vikings for #42 because that’s fun)

Trade
WR Kadarius Toney (2025 conditional 6th)

Let Walk
Mike Edwards
Derrick Nnadi
Willie Gay
Jerick McKinnon
Clyde Edwards-Helaire
Blake Bell
Richie James
Deon Bush
Tommy Townsend (we don’t need him any more, we have the Dolphin)
Jody Fortson
Prince Tega-Wanogho

Re-Sign
Tershawn Wharton (3 years, $9.5M – The DT room is thin even with Jones back, and watching the SB we really saw what I thought was Wharton’s best game. I like having a DT with that burst and speed, and he has clearly gotten much stronger, and he is athletic enough to run some DE snaps in a pinch)
James Winchester (minimal deal)
Malik Herring (ERFA tender)
Jack Cochrane (ERFA tender)
Nazeeh Johnson (ERFA tender)
Mike Caliendo (ERFA tender)

FA Moves
QB Trevor Siemian (1/$1.7M – veteran QB)
DE Yetur Gross-Matos (1/$1.6M – just seems like a good bet for KC as a Spags-type DE who is a Veach reclamation attempt special to boot)
OT Yosh Nijman (2/$12.3M – I just am not comfortable going into the draft with only Wanya Morris and a rookie at LT. Nijman provides a little veteran depth with some upside).

With these deals done, I’m still sitting on about $22M of cap space without restructuring Mahomes at all. I’ve added draft capital and addressed LT insurance/depth with a vet I think can be at least AVERAGE at LT.

I still dive back in at this point for WR Darnell Mooney at 1/$8M , with incentives up to $12M. That still leaves me about $15M in cap space, which I could use to sign draft picks and hunt for June 1 cuts/late FA bargains. I’m tempted to go get Teair Tartt in this cycle but hold off.

Getting into the season without touching Mahomes deal at ALL is going to really help with flexibility in 2025, when it’s going to be needed due to the Jones situation being added to the books.

Draft
Needs based on plan so far:
As before, we’re still looking at a pretty set roster that doesn’t have any glaring needs but needs to invest at DT, WR, and LT.

Simulator used: NFL Mock Draft Database (best aggregated big board at this point)

1.32: Kingsley Suamataia, LT, BYU. Suamataia needs seasoning, but his upside is high and he checks the size, arm length, and athleticism boxes to be a good long-term LT for the Chiefs.

2.42: Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan. This might be high
OK, this might be a bit of a reach. But Wilson is someone I haven’t mocked to KC before and I do think his speed, explosiveness, and ability to make cuts at top speed make him a good fit for KC’s offense. With Mooney only signed for one year, Wilson would be on hand with experience under his belt for 2025 and beyond for that role.

Also considered: Xavier Legette, WR, South Carolina. I probably would go here like I did in my last mock, but I wanted to switch it up.

2.64 Sedrick Van Pran, IOL, Georgia. Here’s a new one. I considered dipping for another WR here (hothead Jermain Burton!) but instead stick on the OL. The Jones decision is going to come with consequences on other players, and I may need to account for them. Van Pran can be a stud C or a good G. If Humphrey walks, you’re covered. If Smith walks, you’re covered. If they cut Thuney to keep Smith and Humphrey, you’re covered. If they need to move Humphrey off C because of Snaps, you’re covered.

3.95 McKinnley Jackson, DT, Texas A&M Big bulky dude to help replace Nnadi.

4.131 Brenden Rice, WR, USC. His 40 at the combine was a disappointment, but I still like his size and ability to work the scramble drill. Great bloodlines, great work ethic, and I think he’s faster than his 40.

5.158 Deantre Prince, CB, Ole Miss. I missed on the round 2 and round 3 CB values/fits. His size/speed/athletic profile tracks with the Day 3 gems the Chiefs have been finding. Let’s keep it rolling.

5.172 Isaac Guerendo, RB, Louisville. I am not first to the Guerendo train, but I’m on it. Size/speed combo is great. I doubt he actually makes it here, though.

7.250 Gabe Hall, DT, Baylor. I like Hall’s size and athletic ability. Seemed worthwhile for a Day 3 stab.

Wrapping it up

This will be my last offseason exercise. I’m pretty stoked about where KC lands in this, honestly.

Two-deep (Re-signed,FA adds, rookies)

(2) QB: Mahomes/Siemian
(3) RB: Pacheco/Guerendo/Prince
(6) WR: Rice, Mooney, Wilson/ Watson, Rice, Moore
(3) TE: Kelce/Gray/min contract vet

(2) OT: Nijman/Suamataia

(2) OG: Thuney/Morris
(1) C: Humphrey/Van Pran
(2) RG: Smith/Caliendo
(2) RT: Taylor/Morris

(6) DE: Karlaftis, Anudike-Uzomah, Gross-Matos, Harring, Thompsonsmall contract vet
(5) DT: Jones,Wharton,Farrell, Jackson ,Hall

(5) LB: Bolton, Tranquill, Chenal, Cochrane, Jones

(6) CB: McDuffie, Williams, Watson, Johnson, Jones, Prince
(4) S: Reid, Cook, Conner, inexpensive vet, probably Deon Bush

(1) LS: Winchester
(1) K: Butker
(1) P: The Dolphin

That leaves 1 spot floating if my count is right, probably goes to depth at OL or maybe another DB who is a special teams asset.

The defense still is built around Chris Jones and I know that DE room is going to make some people nervous. I’d be looking for some training camp cuts/late FA additions to beef that spot up some more. The LB corps is still a strong one (and still one of the better ones in the NFL, if not quite as versatile in base with Willie Gay presumably making a lot of money elsewhere), and the secondary is still a strength (probably a little stronger at S in 24 than it was in 23, with Reid, Conner, and Cook, but obviously turning things over at CB).

I’d feel good about the chances for a 3-peat with this one, and I think KC would be the preseason favorite in this run. Defense is still strong, offense got a bunch of help.

Looking ahead to 25, I haven’t addressed Bolton-Humphrey-Smith. In light of the Jones signing and structure, I don’t think they can keep 2 any more. Might just be one… and maybe neither of the OL.

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Dunerdr 09:33 PM 02-03-2024
3.0 leaves me wanting at wr and Iím a little u sure of Robinsons fit right now but I donít hate it.
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gordonelloyd 11:25 PM 02-03-2024
For WR would so much rather have Samuel at 4/45 than Brown at 4/70.
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JPH83 12:00 AM 02-04-2024
Think i prefer earlier versions Duncan. With this version we seem worse at CB, DT and I'm not sure we sufficiently improve at WR. I'm not a Samuel fan and Burton feels like a player we don't really need. If we have pick 19 I'm using it to get Thomas or Franklin and feeling a lot more confident about WR.

DT looks pretty strong in FA. I think there's a good chance if we let Jones walk we can rebuild a more rounded room without needing a DL R1 pick, that'd be my preference. Maybe I'm too locked in on a single approach, I dunno.
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duncan_idaho 06:19 AM 02-04-2024
Yeah, Iím not sure itís my favorite, but I was purposely trying to take a different tack.

Re: the Sneed trade, itís hard for me to see trading him for anything less than a first, plus. He isnít Jalen Ramsey (insert snide Jamar Chase comment here), but heís damn good.

And crow, yeah, that trade is OFF but is what was offered me by the computer on NFL MDD.

This one was about the exercise for me.

And on Robinson, I think heíd primarily be an undertackle for KC. At 6-5/285 I donít know that they would be asking him to put on 20+ to stick there. More like 10 to me.

Schematically, Samuel is a good fit for the things they wanted to do with Toney. Heís fast, he breaks tackles, heís a YAC threat, and he doesnít drop the ball. Thatís where I see it.
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Couch-Potato 09:39 AM 02-04-2024
I like those first 5 picks! I'm not familiar with the others.

Ultimately, I'd choose Sneed > Reid but I appreciate a good mock!

I think Sneed's our #1 offseason target right now simply bc CJ's price.
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duncan_idaho 10:07 AM 02-04-2024
Originally Posted by JPH83:
Think i prefer earlier versions Duncan. With this version we seem worse at CB, DT and I'm not sure we sufficiently improve at WR. I'm not a Samuel fan and Burton feels like a player we don't really need. If we have pick 19 I'm using it to get Thomas or Franklin and feeling a lot more confident about WR.

DT looks pretty strong in FA. I think there's a good chance if we let Jones walk we can rebuild a more rounded room without needing a DL R1 pick, that'd be my preference. Maybe I'm too locked in on a single approach, I dunno.
If I remember right, Thomas WAS available in this draft at 19. You could certainly go that route (or Franklin) and approach it differently, but I was purposely trying to avoid taking a WR in round 1.

One thing that makes me more informed about the draft - and I think better able to be balanced when reacting to the things the Chiefs actually do - is trying to take different approaches and see how they work out.

Roster building is intricate and fascinating. There are a lot of factors, so these "whole offseason" exercises are a lot of fun. I'll do a few more, I'm sure, as the draft approaches.

Re: Burton, I think that's a player with a well-rounded skillset who can be a much better pro than college player.

He doesn't drop the ball. He tracks deep balls well. He has good speed and solid size. He can run routes. He has been an inside and outisde receiver in college. It's not as sexy as Franklin or Brian Thomas (who I think is a one-trick pony right now, though he is very, very good at that one trick).
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JPH83 12:55 AM 02-06-2024
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
If I remember right, Thomas WAS available in this draft at 19. You could certainly go that route (or Franklin) and approach it differently, but I was purposely trying to avoid taking a WR in round 1.

One thing that makes me more informed about the draft - and I think better able to be balanced when reacting to the things the Chiefs actually do - is trying to take different approaches and see how they work out.

Roster building is intricate and fascinating. There are a lot of factors, so these "whole offseason" exercises are a lot of fun. I'll do a few more, I'm sure, as the draft approaches.

Re: Burton, I think that's a player with a well-rounded skillset who can be a much better pro than college player.

He doesn't drop the ball. He tracks deep balls well. He has good speed and solid size. He can run routes. He has been an inside and outisde receiver in college. It's not as sexy as Franklin or Brian Thomas (who I think is a one-trick pony right now, though he is very, very good at that one trick).
It's a good point on the whole offense approach. I'm too lazy and not confident enough in my cap workings. Would quite like to do a few versions otherwise.

You've got me thinking on Samuel, he might now be my WR FA preference.
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DJ's left nut 12:26 PM 02-06-2024
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
If I remember right, Thomas WAS available in this draft at 19. You could certainly go that route (or Franklin) and approach it differently, but I was purposely trying to avoid taking a WR in round 1.

One thing that makes me more informed about the draft - and I think better able to be balanced when reacting to the things the Chiefs actually do - is trying to take different approaches and see how they work out.

Roster building is intricate and fascinating. There are a lot of factors, so these "whole offseason" exercises are a lot of fun. I'll do a few more, I'm sure, as the draft approaches.

Re: Burton, I think that's a player with a well-rounded skillset who can be a much better pro than college player.

He doesn't drop the ball. He tracks deep balls well. He has good speed and solid size. He can run routes. He has been an inside and outisde receiver in college. It's not as sexy as Franklin or Brian Thomas (who I think is a one-trick pony right now, though he is very, very good at that one trick).
Every now and again I just try a complete pivot draft. But what I've also found is that this draft isn't gonna go as smoothly as I hoped it might. Whenever I do the PFF board and turn the randomness down a little and turn draft for need up a bit (because many teams do) and position value up a lot (because almost all teams do that) the draft suddenly gets real tough, real fast.

But this last attempt I decided to work some trade downs (I don't usually do that) and while I don't love the result, I didn't think it was awful either.

Devontez Walker in the mid-2nd. Brandon Dorlus and Leonard Taylor to try to rebuild the interior with some youth (I'd really love that) with two picks in the 3rd. Kris Abrams-Draine in the late 3rd because I thought the value was too good to pass up and CB depth is always good.

Cade Stover and Gabriel Murphy in the 4th; obviously I like Stover but I think Murphy is another interesting situational pass-rusher here, if maybe a little undersized for a full-time role. In the 4th, who cares?

Cody Schrader in the 5th as well as James Williams - athletic cover safety out of Miami and Steele Chambers as a STs and backup Will out of Ohio State. Trey Knox as a practice squad and developmental flyer with my last pick in the 6th.

There's not a knockout pick in that group, but I think that's going to be the nature of this draft. There's gonna be a lot of "damn, just missed our guy" I think. And we're going to be sitting there with a lot of similarly situated prospects with some frequency.
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O.city 12:40 PM 02-06-2024
My thing is, if you just keep stacking good football players, eventually some of them will develop into elite difference makers. It's just the nature of the thing.
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Couch-Potato 12:55 PM 02-06-2024
Super intrigued by Robinson, but wondering why he wasn't identified during the year as a potential 1st rounder?
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raybec 4 01:05 PM 02-06-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Every now and again I just try a complete pivot draft. But what I've also found is that this draft isn't gonna go as smoothly as I hoped it might. Whenever I do the PFF board and turn the randomness down a little and turn draft for need up a bit (because many teams do) and position value up a lot (because almost all teams do that) the draft suddenly gets real tough, real fast.

But this last attempt I decided to work some trade downs (I don't usually do that) and while I don't love the result, I didn't think it was awful either.

Devontez Walker in the mid-2nd. Brandon Dorlus and Leonard Taylor to try to rebuild the interior with some youth (I'd really love that) with two picks in the 3rd. Kris Abrams-Draine in the late 3rd because I thought the value was too good to pass up and CB depth is always good.

Cade Stover and Gabriel Murphy in the 4th; obviously I like Stover but I think Murphy is another interesting situational pass-rusher here, if maybe a little undersized for a full-time role. In the 4th, who cares?

Cody Schrader in the 5th as well as James Williams - athletic cover safety out of Miami and Steele Chambers as a STs and backup Will out of Ohio State. Trey Knox as a practice squad and developmental flyer with my last pick in the 6th.

There's not a knockout pick in that group, but I think that's going to be the nature of this draft. There's gonna be a lot of "damn, just missed our guy" I think. And we're going to be sitting there with a lot of similarly situated prospects with some frequency.
There's a lot of homer in that draft. Frankly, you have to draft Steele Chambers for his porn star name if not his on field play.
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pugsnotdrugs19 09:30 AM 02-07-2024
Originally Posted by O.city:
My thing is, if you just keep stacking good football players, eventually some of them will develop into elite difference makers. It's just the nature of the thing.
Sneed
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DJ's left nut 11:49 AM 02-07-2024
Originally Posted by raybec 4:
There's a lot of homer in that draft. Frankly, you have to draft Steele Chambers for his porn star name if not his on field play.
Oh c'mon - that's only two Mizzou guys.

And we definitely need a 'back - a guy who performed like Schrader did and looked good in the Senior bowl is worth a 3rd day pick. I still think he should've gotten some Heisman consideration - he was truly incredible this year.

KAD may have been a bit of a reach but I think that's really strong value there. He's a good player; was the equal of Rakestraw most of the year (better than him in the first half) and Ennis is being seen by some (not me) as a 1st rounder.
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JPH83 02:20 PM 02-08-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Every now and again I just try a complete pivot draft. But what I've also found is that this draft isn't gonna go as smoothly as I hoped it might. Whenever I do the PFF board and turn the randomness down a little and turn draft for need up a bit (because many teams do) and position value up a lot (because almost all teams do that) the draft suddenly gets real tough, real fast.

But this last attempt I decided to work some trade downs (I don't usually do that) and while I don't love the result, I didn't think it was awful either.

Devontez Walker in the mid-2nd. Brandon Dorlus and Leonard Taylor to try to rebuild the interior with some youth (I'd really love that) with two picks in the 3rd. Kris Abrams-Draine in the late 3rd because I thought the value was too good to pass up and CB depth is always good.

Cade Stover and Gabriel Murphy in the 4th; obviously I like Stover but I think Murphy is another interesting situational pass-rusher here, if maybe a little undersized for a full-time role. In the 4th, who cares?

Cody Schrader in the 5th as well as James Williams - athletic cover safety out of Miami and Steele Chambers as a STs and backup Will out of Ohio State. Trey Knox as a practice squad and developmental flyer with my last pick in the 6th.

There's not a knockout pick in that group, but I think that's going to be the nature of this draft. There's gonna be a lot of "damn, just missed our guy" I think. And we're going to be sitting there with a lot of similarly situated prospects with some frequency.
I've had a similar experience with the simulators, it's less promising than I originally thought on elite talent likely available to us, so I'm often moving down. But generally I'll start from a certain premise on what's happened in FA.

My general assumption is Veach won't have a rookie or Morris at LT and there's noone in FA beyond D. Smith, so he's likely coming back if he doesn't ask for silly money. Morris remains a guy to develop. I think one way or another we'll be solid ar DT at least. If Jones goes there's no way we're not bringing in a decent vet imo, probably 2. Could be wrong but that's my guess. Then I'm also assuming some sort of weapons have been added. Dunno if that's WR, TE or RB, but I'm normally guessing one of these is less of a need.

Makes it a lot easier to pick through things. I imagine everyone does a version of this I guess.
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Chris Meck 06:39 PM 02-08-2024
Originally Posted by JPH83:
I've had a similar experience with the simulators, it's less promising than I originally thought on elite talent likely available to us, so I'm often moving down. But generally I'll start from a certain premise on what's happened in FA.

My general assumption is Veach won't have a rookie or Morris at LT and there's noone in FA beyond D. Smith, so he's likely coming back if he doesn't ask for silly money. Morris remains a guy to develop. I think one way or another we'll be solid ar DT at least. If Jones goes there's no way we're not bringing in a decent vet imo, probably 2. Could be wrong but that's my guess. Then I'm also assuming some sort of weapons have been added. Dunno if that's WR, TE or RB, but I'm normally guessing one of these is less of a need.

Makes it a lot easier to pick through things. I imagine everyone does a version of this I guess.
Just look for the traits, and watch some video. Ignore the highlights from when they played Eastern Uganda State, that doesn't tell you anything. Watch and see what they did against the good teams.

so often, what pundits think is 'elite talent' turns out not to be, and guys that went later end up being the stars (like Rashee Rice).
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