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Nzoner's Game Room>***Official 2023-2024 Missouri Tigers Men's Basketball***
DJ's left nut 02:07 PM 04-12-2023
New thread to discuss all things MU Basketball related heading into year 2 of the Gates era.

Thus far we've had a couple of misses in the portal and lost a non-factor. I suppose I can update the OP as roster changes come about.

Updates:

2023-2024 roster:

Spoiler!


Is it just me or is that a MASSIVE roster?


Departures: Hodge, Gomillion, Gholston, Sterberg (eligibility). Brown, Mosely (pro), DeGray, Diarra (transfer)

2024 Commitment list:

Marcus Allen -- 4* forward
Antonio (T.O.) Barrett -- 4* Guard
Peyton Marshall -- 4* Center
Annor Boateng -- 4* Guard
Trent Burns -- 4* Center


Probable Rotation:
Spoiler!


Schedule:

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dlphg9 10:09 AM 11-07-2023
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Aidan Shaw looked like a real monster last night. He's gotten stronger, the offensive game has expanded a little bit, and his length and athleticism are such weapons defensively.

Bates and Grill also have majorly upgraded the athleticism on the wing.

Fun team, and I'm looking forward to this year.
It's amazing how fast Gates turned over the roster and just made this team so much more athletic. Your boy Clownzo didn't seem to care about athletic players.
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DJ's left nut 10:20 AM 11-07-2023
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
It's amazing how fast Gates turned over the roster and just made this team so much more athletic. Your boy Clownzo didn't seem to care about athletic players.
I think the NIL rules are also more beneficial in basketball (where you're not hidden behind a helmet and are thus more marketable and the pool of players is smaller) than it is in football.

Even Martin may have had some success in this environment.

But ultimately Martin simply didn't recruit for athleticism. He wanted to build ground and pound teams. Offensive cohesion and athleticism were an afterthought.

That said, my expectations for this year's squad are...muted. I'm not seeing much to really get excited about just yet. This is still a squad that's going to need a lot from someone like Nick Honor and Noah Carter. Can Caleb Grill be a big time threat from outside? Because we'll need that as well. Will East step forward? Shaw? Is Vanover a Power 5 player? Brown seems more like a role player. Pierce and Robinson aren't exactly turnkey in their own right.

This just feels like a gap year. I'd like to see them make the tournament to get some of those young players some experience as a springboard, but it's not really an expectation for me.
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JohnnyHammersticks 10:21 AM 11-07-2023
My observations:

Honor looked about the same except for jacking up shots almost every time he touched the ball. Looks like a 40 year old playing with college kids

Bates looks good, very athletic. Could end up being our best player

East and Shaw both seem to have taken fairly substantial steps forward

Carralero made some great passes, seems to be a good defender, and plays with a lot of energy

Anthony Robinson will end up being a very solid player for us. Gates has praised his leadership qualities, unusual for a freshman

Grill is more athletic than I expected

Got somewhat distracted by the terrible play calling by Nathanial Hackett in the football game (how on earth does he not run more quick slants, screens, and quick tosses to Hall outside the Tackle box to take pressure off of terrible Zach Wilson?? Chargers were just pinning their ears back on the pass rush), but overall obviously looks like we don't have the top-end talent that we had last year. This team could end up being much deeper and being a much better rebounding team. Could be a tournament team, don't see much beyond just making it, which I kind of expected considering the talent we lost.
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dlphg9 10:27 AM 11-07-2023
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I think the NIL rules are also more beneficial in basketball (where you're not hidden behind a helmet and are thus more marketable and the pool of players is smaller) than it is in football.

Even Martin may have had some success in this environment.

But ultimately Martin simply didn't recruit for athleticism. He wanted to build ground and pound teams. Offensive cohesion and athleticism were an afterthought.

That said, my expectations for this year's squad are...muted. I'm not seeing much to really get excited about just yet. This is still a squad that's going to need a lot from someone like Nick Honor and Noah Carter. Can Caleb Grill be a big time threat from outside? Because we'll need that as well. Will East step forward? Shaw? Is Vanover a Power 5 player? Brown seems more like a role player. Pierce and Robinson aren't exactly turnkey in their own right.

This just feels like a gap year. I'd like to see them make the tournament to get some of those young players some experience as a springboard, but it's not really an expectation me.
We really need just 1 or 2 guys that can really step up and score. I wish Kobe would have come back, because I think with him this team would be a top 15 team. I think this team will be better defensively and much much better at rebounding, but we just need someone to step up and be a scorer. If that happens, then this team can be better than last years.
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DJ's left nut 10:34 AM 11-07-2023
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
I always like Haley and I hated Cassel, but honestly I can't blame him for accepting the contract he did. It's that fucking idiot Pioli that was responsible for that. Pioli is #1 on my hate list among the guys on this list.

#1 Pioli
#2 Kimmy
#3 Martin
#4 Cassel
#5 Haley

It's amazing how all of these Patriot way jackasses follow the same exact script and bring in some back up Patriot QB to take over the starting job.
I'll be hard pressed to dislike anyone more than Kim Anderson if for no other reason than the fact that I live in Columbia and had to listen to these motherfucking Norm Acolyte blue hairs sing his praises even when we were clearly the worst team in major college basketball.
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Sure-Oz 10:35 AM 11-07-2023
Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541:
“Mizzou has the number 1 recruiting class in the country.” You love to hear it.
Really? I haven't been paying attention
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dlphg9 10:36 AM 11-07-2023
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I'll be hard pressed to dislike anyone more than Kim Anderson if for no other reason than the fact that I live in Columbia and had to listen to these mother****ing Norm Acolyte blue hairs sing his praises even when we were clearly the worst team in major college basketball.
Lmao, I can't imagine your pain. He was just completely unqualified for the job and it was completely obvious to everyone that wasn't a "True Son".
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DJ's left nut 10:40 AM 11-07-2023
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Lmao, I can't imagine your pain. He was just completely unqualified for the job and it was completely obvious to everyone that wasn't a "True Son".
Cuonzo Martin may have been the best thing that could've happened to Mizzou basketball.

Because Martin was exactly what the Norm Stans THOUGHT they were getting in Anderson. And the ceiling was still mediocrity.

They got two bites at the apple. They had two chances to re-build the Norm years. One of them they could've passed off as simply being blinded by program loyalty. "Well it didn't work THIS time, but it still will!". The second one, however, got them exactly what Norm Ball will give you in modern college basketball.

So now we never have to listen to them again. We've finally closed the book on that era, IMO.
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Pitt Gorilla 10:46 AM 11-07-2023
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I think the NIL rules are also more beneficial in basketball (where you're not hidden behind a helmet and are thus more marketable and the pool of players is smaller) than it is in football.

Even Martin may have had some success in this environment.

But ultimately Martin simply didn't recruit for athleticism. He wanted to build ground and pound teams. Offensive cohesion and athleticism were an afterthought.

That said, my expectations for this year's squad are...muted. I'm not seeing much to really get excited about just yet. This is still a squad that's going to need a lot from someone like Nick Honor and Noah Carter. Can Caleb Grill be a big time threat from outside? Because we'll need that as well. Will East step forward? Shaw? Is Vanover a Power 5 player? Brown seems more like a role player. Pierce and Robinson aren't exactly turnkey in their own right.

This just feels like a gap year. I'd like to see them make the tournament to get some of those young players some experience as a springboard, but it's not really an expectation for me.
That's largely because it is. With the incoming guys (assuming everyone signs) and seniors moving on, we're going to have a MUCH different team again next season. But, I think we're going to compete. Really like how much East has improved.
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BryanBusby 10:52 AM 11-07-2023
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I'll be hard pressed to dislike anyone more than Kim Anderson if for no other reason than the fact that I live in Columbia and had to listen to these mother****ing Norm Acolyte blue hairs sing his praises even when we were clearly the worst team in major college basketball.
Gross. Can't even imagine.
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JohnnyHammersticks 11:00 AM 11-07-2023
No longer considering G-League

NEWS: 2024 Top-10 prospect Jayden Quaintance is down to four schools and will no longer consider the G-League Ignite pathway, per his coach.

The 16-year-old must complete two years of college before being NBA Draft eligible in 2026.

Story: https://t.co/Qvh1plGEY0 pic.twitter.com/yCM4egK7cO

— Joe Tipton (@TiptonEdits) November 6, 2023

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dlphg9 11:02 AM 11-07-2023
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Cuonzo Martin may have been the best thing that could've happened to Mizzou basketball.

Because Martin was exactly what the Norm Stans THOUGHT they were getting in Anderson. And the ceiling was still mediocrity.

They got two bites at the apple. They had two chances to re-build the Norm years. One of them they could've passed off as simply being blinded by program loyalty. "Well it didn't work THIS time, but it still will!". The second one, however, got them exactly what Norm Ball will give you in modern college basketball.

So now we never have to listen to them again. We've finally closed the book on that era, IMO.
Lol just wait for the return of Norm! Norm will be 100 and Mizzou will be looking for a coach and decide he's the man for the job.
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dlphg9 11:03 AM 11-07-2023
Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks:
No longer considering G-League

Well I like that. From what I've read he's leaning Kentucky. Hope that's not what happens.
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DJ's left nut 11:06 AM 11-07-2023
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
Gross. Can't even imagine.
I shit you not, a large contingent of them wanted him retained after they beat Auburn in that meaningless conference tournament game.

Norm Stans were gaslighting before it was cool.
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BryanBusby 11:24 AM 11-07-2023
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I shit you not, a large contingent of them wanted him retained after they beat Auburn in that meaningless conference tournament game.

Norm Stans were gaslighting before it was cool.
I don't think I could handle it. That whole era was triggering as ever.
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